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Lord Vulkas Mormonus

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Posted on 10-16-06 08:00 AM Link | Quote
I haven't read most of this thread, jsut the original few posts, so forgive me if I repeat some already said points.

How I define an opinion: And opinion is what you believe to be correct, for instance, Spartan holds the opinion that to be bi is morally okay. Doesn't mean it is, doesn't mena it isn't, that's not the issue at hand.

I alos believe that there are three states to an opinion. Correct opinions(I am awesome) medium opinions(digital watches are better than analog), and false opinions(Superman 64 is a great game). Thus, I conclude that opinions should only be either correct, or medium. If they are false, they should be corrected, and that freedom of opinion isn't necccesarilly a good thing.

Now to read the rest of the thread so that I can comment on that...

Consider it read. I think that this contributing towards a thread is one of the right/wrong opinions. Added humor, posted, continued on discussion merely for his benefit, ect. All is okay in the world of Xeogaming.

Now for that of the thief. I define bad(or immoral) as anything that causes more harm to the people that are not the doers, than good. Hurting more than it helps. Thievery not only hurts the thief, because if prevents him from ever learningto generate money on his own, but it hurts the thieved because of not only the emotional problems, but the fact that they lost a lot of things that they liked. More is lost than is gained.
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Posted on 10-16-06 07:47 PM Link | Quote
There is no such thing as a "true" or "false" opinion, it's an impossibility. It's all up to an individual's or body's value judgement of an opinion. Again, "true" and "false" are positive statements. The following will better explain the concepts.



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In the humanities and social sciences, the term positive is used in a number of ways.

One usage refers to analysis or theories which only attempt to describe how things are, as opposed to how they should be. In this sense, the opposite of positive is normative. An example would be positive, as opposed to normative, economic analysis. Positive statements are also often referred to as descriptive statements.

The term positive lies at the heart of one of the major epistemological debates in the humanities and social sciences. Positivists (in the humanities and social sciences) on the one hand, advocate a 'value-free' approach to the study of humanity that shares much in common with methods employed in the natural sciences. Positivists seek only to make objective descriptions of humanity and society without making normative judgements. In contrast non-positivists reject the notion that the methods of the natural sciences are adequate in explaining and describing humanity and society - this is primarily because of the 'meanings' that humans attach to their actions. They believe that it is not possible to be completely value-free in their study, as a person cannot stand totally removed from their place within space and history. Humanistic Sociology is an example of a post-positive approach to social science.

Another sense of the word positive is used to describe things which are defined by construction, as opposed to things which are defined "negatively", by the absence of something else. Examples are negative and positive rights, or negative and positive liberty.




In philosophy, normative is usually contrasted with positive, descriptive or explanatory when describing types of theories, beliefs, or statements. Descriptive (or constative) statements are falsifiable statements that attempt to describe reality. Normative statements, on the other hand, affirm how things should or ought to be, how to value them, which things are good or bad, which actions are right or wrong.


Moving on to the definition of immorality, I reject the definition stated by Vulcanlogic, and present my own.
Morality is s system of value judgements based on a overlying set of social norms. Therefore, immortality is inconsistancy with these judgements.
I am now open for questions and clarifications.
[EDIT] Duh, changed immortality to immorality. I noticed when kaijin said it. =


(Last edited by Logos on 10-17-06 11:37 PM)
Kaijin Surohm
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Posted on 10-17-06 10:18 AM Link | Quote
An opinion is an opinion. A statement of which you feel that you believe is right. And in such, you have no right to reject one's statement of anything, but you have the right to ignore it.

Mortality is the frail existance upon which human kind, and all othe other species live. It is one's knowledge of their limits of just how far they can go.

Immortaity is based on more then one idealogy. One idea of immortality is the though of living forever. Another idea of immortality is your thoughts and dreams are carried on through existance for all times.
By case of the second idea, someone who is never forgotten is theorietically immortal. Like, Thomas Jefferson, or Mozart. They're work will never be forgotten, and thus they can never be snuffed from existance.
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Posted on 10-17-06 09:26 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kaijin Surohm
An opinion is an opinion. A statement of which you feel that you believe is right. And in such, you have no right to reject one's statement of anything, but you have the right to ignore it.

Mortality is the frail existance upon which human kind, and all othe other species live. It is one's knowledge of their limits of just how far they can go.

Immortaity is based on more then one idealogy. One idea of immortality is the though of living forever. Another idea of immortality is your thoughts and dreams are carried on through existance for all times.
By case of the second idea, someone who is never forgotten is theorietically immortal. Like, Thomas Jefferson, or Mozart. They're work will never be forgotten, and thus they can never be snuffed from existance.

Sorry, my mistake, I meant "immorality." If no one has the right to reject someone's opinion, then there would be no such thing as a debate, or an argument, more or less. One can only argue about something which is indefinite.
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