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Master Naruto Magician          Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 6694 days Last activity: 4225 days |
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Los Angeles, Alta California - May 2, 2004 - (ACN) The release, by CBS News, of the photographs showing the heinous sexual abuse and torture of Iraqi POW's at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison has opened a Pandora's box for the Bush regime. Apparently, the suspended US commander of the prison where the worst abuses took place, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, has refused to take the fall by herself and has implicated the CIA, Military Intelligence and private US government contractors in the torturing of POW's and in the raping of Iraqi women detainees as well. Picture 2 Brigadier General Janis Karpinski said to the Washington Post that Military Intelligence, rather than the Military Police, dictated the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison. "The prison, and that particular cellblock where the events took place, were under the control of the Military Intelligence command," Brigadier General Karpinski said to the Washington Post Saturday night in a telephone interview from her home in Hilton Head, South Carolina. Brigadier General Karpinski, who commanded the 800th Military Police Brigade, described a high-pressure Military Intelligence and CIA command that prized successful interrogations. A month before the alleged abuses and rapes occurred, she said, a team of CIA, Military Intelligence officers and private consultants under the employ of the US government came to Abu Ghraib. "Their main and specific mission was to give the interrogators new techniques to get more information from detainees," she said. Picture 3 Today, new photographs were sent to La Voz de Aztlan from confidential sources depicting the shocking rapes of two Iraqi women by what are purported to be US Military Intelligence personnel and private US mercenaries in military fatigues. It is now known that hundreds of these photographs had been in circulation among the troops in Iraq. The graphic photos were being swapped between the soldiers like baseball cards. Speaking on condition of anonymity, one Mexican-American soldier told La Voz de Aztlan, "Maybe the officers didn't know what was going on, but everybody else did. I have seen literally hundreds of these types of pictures." Many of the pictures were destroyed last September when the luggage of soldiers was searched as they left Iraq, he said An investigation, led by Army Major General Antonio M. Taguba, identified two military intelligence officers and two civilian contractors for the Army as key figures in the abuse cases at the Abu Ghraib prison. In an internal report on his findings, Major General Taguba said he suspected that the four were "either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib and strongly recommended disciplinary action." The Taguba report states that "military intelligence interrogators and other U.S. Government Agency interrogators actively requested that Military Police guards set physical and mental conditions for favorable interrogation of witnesses." The report noted that one civilian interrogator, a contractor from a company called CACI International and attached to the 205th Military Intelligence Brigade, "clearly knew his instructions" to the Military Police equated to physical and sexual abuse. It is not known whether these instructions included, or led to, the raping of Iraqi women detainees as well. (Last edited by Drizzt DoUrden on 06-16-06 09:41 PM) |
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Savedox Berserker You put a bullet in my head, Till black turns to red! This could all end in tragedy!  Since: 08-20-04 From: Read \"Real Name\" Since last post: 4543 days Last activity: 1632 days |
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| Come on.. I mean seriously.. how old is this? It pisses me off when they make a big deal about something.. then you dont hear barily anything about it.. then all of a sudden it's a fricken big deal again..
You got that from a myspace bulliten didnt you..? those are so annoying.. >.< |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt  Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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| Why im not joining the military.
What do I think of my country? I think ALMOST everyone in the military are sick for doing this. Thanks for reminding me on why the military is stupid, and why ALMOST everyone in the military are retarded. *Stabs* (Last edited by Master Sajin on 06-15-06 08:23 PM) |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering  Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Originally posted by Master Sajin So most of the millitary is responsible for what one group of people did? That makes sense. Wait a second... No. No it doesn't. |
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Stitch Roy Koopa Holy crap, it is the RoboCoonie!  Since: 08-20-04 From: California Since last post: 933 days Last activity: 933 days |
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| Why I don't care. People are corrupt. We'll see what happens in six years. | |||
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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Originally posted by Kell OrineOriginally posted by Master Sajin No, you diddnt catch the meaning of that. The people who do this are sick. Kell, Read this part of the article below. It may clarify the backbone of what I ment. This diddnt come from another article, this is from the article Naruto posted, and this part pissed me off the most. Originally posted by Article Hundreds...Hundreds of pictures. Passed out like baseball cards like its some sort of hobby. Note the underline ALMOST there in that sentence...ALMOST everyone are sick... (Last edited by Master Sajin on 06-16-06 06:03 PM) |
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01001000 Slow Ride Take It Easy  Since: 01-10-05 Since last post: 6526 days Last activity: 5876 days |
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Originally posted by Zabuza Agreed, however someone in a higher chain of command should have made sure that shit like that did not happen. Sajin, sorry but almost is more than half but not 100%. Now you do not know every single personel in the military is rapist. Sick would be the wrong word since they do not have an physical illness they have no respect for people of other ethnicities or are in bit of a pickle. We have troops stationed in several dozen different countries now they cannot all be of ill-mannered minds. I read the article and ignored the pictures. If a superior officer told you to molest some POW's then your superior officer does not deserve to be an officer but court marshalled instead. Why is the military stupid and why are you not going to join the services? You never really specified about your statements. (Last edited by HoboConductor on 06-16-06 06:46 PM) |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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| I did notice the "almost".
"Almost everyone" implies a vast majority, usually 75%+, but I'm being nice by giving you 50.0000000001%+ of the military. And yes, I'm doing this specifically to pick apart the shitty wording of what you said (and because the first time, it really wasn't clear). Put a little more care into your posts and this won't happen. Edit: HoboConductor, you can of course go fuck yourself.  (Last edited by Kell Orine on 06-16-06 06:21 PM) |
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Savedox Berserker You put a bullet in my head, Till black turns to red! This could all end in tragedy! Since: 08-20-04 From: Read \"Real Name\" Since last post: 4543 days Last activity: 1632 days |
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Originally posted by Kell Orine Please dont start.. just please, even tho this is a touchy subject, dont start shit or I will be forced to close this thread, but if YOU keep up the flameing and such, then I will have to ban you from the asylum, and that goes to everyone that reads this post, pass it on, your crap will not be tolurated any longer. There will be no more warnings, there have already been enough given as it is. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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| Sorry drizzit, if someone gets mad about my reasons on why I dont want to join the military, thats their problem, and im not responcible for anyone's comments.
But I dont have to explain myself HERE on why I dont like the military. To hobo's comment: Originally posted by hobo For starters, I dont want my two cents involved in this. Talk to me on AIM and I will be happy to tell you. But if I told you here, I can almost guarantee that alot of shit will get started, and thats what im trying to avoid: Shit. And second, Alot of my family members were in the military, some became sucessful, some who were in for over 8 years are still living in Trailers, Having a hard life, and taking care of children. Im not saying that the military are all bad, and that the military isnt the way to go. But what im seeing here, I have seen this multiple times, and Ill just say that those fuckheads are sure not making me proud to wear any uniform. Im going to stop there, if you want anything further, your going to have to talk to me on AIM. |
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Master Naruto Magician Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 6694 days Last activity: 4225 days |
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Originally posted by Zabuza They'll still be doing this! You know why? Cause they're away from their girlfriends and away from their wives and they have a chance to fuck some random girl like they've always dreamed of doing! GOD BLESS THE ARMY RESERVES!!!! :: Saah ::   (Last edited by |V|ã§†ê® Nªrú†õ™ on 06-16-06 08:53 PM) |
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Truth/Serum Cheep-cheep Continued Harassment. Since: 03-07-05 From: In pieces Since last post: 6283 days Last activity: 6255 days |
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| Here is a random fact for you all.
In america alone, there is another woman being raped about every 30 seconds. On average. So at any given time, being as many rapes last 30 minutes or more quite often, that in our country alone there are at least 60 or more women right now being raped. People in general suck. Not just the military. In fact, you probably know several rapists at your own school, and just don't know they are. Have fun knowing that. And as far as the military goes, I've met some assholes, some people who should be shot, and yet at the same time, I've also met some of the best people alive today in the short time I've been in the Navy. I wouldn't make broad generalizations if I were you. If you want to, it could be easily done to you and put you in many broad generalizations that you would definitely be offended by. I don't mind you not liking the military, but keep generalized comments to yourself please. I've been on this board for several years now and I'd rather not be offended while I'm here by such non-sense. ON topic however, I do agree this is vile and disgusting. And I know many more stories on all sides about this stuff. But it has little to do with our country alone. Corruption is everywhere in the world. Not just us my friend, not just us. (Last edited by Truth/Serum on 06-16-06 09:03 PM) |
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Master Naruto Magician Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 6694 days Last activity: 4225 days |
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Originally posted by Truth/Serum "Broad Generalizations" are basically people's opinions. Everybody is gonna have one. All I can say is, if you don't like it, ignore it. You don't have to read this. You don't have to post here either. So......Yea. Picture That's what the army reserves gives you! Wow, what a hell of a way to get peope to join! JOIN TODAY! :: Saah :: (Last edited by Drizzt DoUrden on 06-16-06 09:42 PM) |
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator  Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 87 days Last activity: 76 days |
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| Honestly I'd like to close this thread, but I'm sure people would complain.
Either way, I think its better off in Debate. Not the forum where we can talk about Ice Cream. (Last edited by Racer Xeo on 06-16-06 09:17 PM) |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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| Well, Thats the reason I said 'Talk to me on AIM'. Because I know people are going to be offended.
There are 3 military personell who play WoW on my server. I talk to them every night on Ventrillo, Chat with them about our interests, and so forth. About 3 weeks ago, he told me about this article in a much broader statement. He went into detail on what some platoons near him did to women, Men, and so forth. He even showed me pictures of dead soldiers, people's head blown off, and so forth. The kind of fucking shit you see on Rotten. Just a couple of weeks ago, he got pissed at one of my clanmates because he said a rude comment about the military. Now, mind you, he dosent have a reason, I do. But why did this guy scream back at my guildmate and not me? because he has no respect for the military, I do. Dont think I have no respect for the military. I respect the people fighting for their lives for this country. I just think that their actions are fucking retarded. Such as this article for example. So have respect, and dont get touchy over this.... |
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AlpoRaggins Troubadour Not so much dead. Since: 12-11-04 From: Someday, Somewhere, Over the Rainbow Since last post: 6612 days Last activity: 6502 days |
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| Okay, I'll take all of your ideas and opinions about the military seriously once you've actually been in it. If that is the case, than I sure as hell am not one to make any opinions about this but I can say this...
My father, being a Vietnam veteran with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, can indeed see some sort of light in what people are doing. Sounds sick right? But you know whats REALLY fucked up? Hiding in the jungle for two years, transferring to an American air base with Vietcong tunnels underneath and missile strikes as common as dirt, all topped off with the fact that, once your tour of duty is over, they tell you they have to keep you for three more months because all the soldiers that are coming over are dead. And then they tack on another three months. And then they tack on ANOTHER three months. And then they send you home because you are so fucked up that they're afraid you're gonna kill everyone and yourself. So now, think about how stressed those soldiers are. They are going through the same sort of treatment or even worse over there (note, there are quite a lot of similarities to this war and Vietnam) Do you think they really care about how they look or what they're doing? Those photos could never have been intended for the public to see - its like finding your mom and dads secret porn stash; your not supposed to see it, but you know its happened and you're sickened by it. I would imagine that raping a woman to these soldiers is just as, well, militant, as every other act they do. As twisted and sick as it looks in our eyes, this is the sort of thing that diverts us from the REAL horrors of war. Truth/Serum brought up a good point, women are raped all the time in America, but now, because our soldiers who have EVERY RIGHT to be fucked up in any and all ways are doing it, it's a smear on our honor? The military has no mind for other people's lives; it is a disgusting machine where things such as rape and taking prisoner is just a small gear in the system. It works to better those who aren't fighting, those who are comfortable in their armchairs and their radios addressing the nation about its newest casulties in such a casual manner. God I sound like such a dumb protester type but its what my views are! I think the soldiers SHOULD be allowed to induldge themselves in any and all lewd or terrible acts; they're nothing more than beasts with guns, and each one should and will be honored no matter what they do. As I said before, its gross in our eyes? Put yourselves in their shoes and tell me if you give a damn about what you're momma would think if she saw you doing what you are doing. She already knows you're killing people, so what's a little rape? Killing a comrade is messed up; your country forcing you to kill is even worse, but humans being humans in a time of confusion and strife is necessery for anyone to get out of this mess. I hope I don't disgust anyone; I think my views are the most supportive of the troops, I think that simply saying "YO GO TROOPZ" is futile if you don't understand what exactly they are doing. They're all INCREDIBLY brave men, who deserve every ounce of credit they earned; it is the ones who put them in the terrible positions they are in that will die and rot painfully in hell. Imagine doing what they do everyday. I can... barely. Nothing is better than first hand experience, and if you've got someone sane enough that came back from any war to tell you about all the terrible stuff they had to do, you wouldn't hold it against anyone if they did something bad back then. Remember how the phrase goes, kids: ALL'S FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR. |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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Originally posted by Drizzt DoUrdenOriginally posted by Kell Orine I meant that in a joking tone (which I'd be willing to bet HoboConductor knew, assuming he knows I'm Cheveyo). On another note, you've been quick to threaten me with a forum ban, Drizzt - such happened before as well, in one fo the game forums if your memory requires some assistance. So hey, if you've got issues with me, let's take it to PMs, I've got a few things I can say to you if it comes to that. Otherwise, stay off my back. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4556 days Last activity: 4550 days |
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hey Alpo? Im sorry if I said anything that may have upset you at all man.
Originally posted by Alpo I cant say I have served my country, but i have been in a military acadamy for young teens back in my 6th-7th grade year. Two years I have witnessed alot of things, and by far the worst ive seen is someone who was stripped of his clothing, beat down, was anally raped, and had his glasses broken. Now i know what your thinking "That was a young military acadamy, nothing like that happens around here". Wrong. For the past 4 weeks, my newspaper, The ledger enquirer, has this story that privates are murdered, beaten, raped, and locked in lockers at Ft. benning in my area. My uncle is a drill sergent ( Major Dillard ) somewhere in Ft. Benning. ( I dont really care, I used to live with him and he actually never told me where he trained newcomers ). My point? Hes always telling me that after the basic training exersizes, 20-50% of the men there become completely different people in their social lives, many are judged because they think they are hardasses, and they think seen how they were the red white and blue, it makes them all bad asses, and that everyone is at a lower authority. making them think that they can get away with anything. Why are they judged? because they are convicted of a crime before my stated reason: They think they can get away with everything, and they think they are above the law. But alas, thats not the reason why I dispise the military. I am proud of the people who work there and make something of their lives. I am not proud of the people who turn their back on their training, do shit like the pictures you see (as well as other things), and fucking think they are all that. When in all honesty, they are a bunch of shitheads who need to look at their predessors and fucking reflect on how their lives were in danger to help protect our freedom. Now, once again, if your offended on what I said. Im sorry, Obvious I was talking about people like you just then, but if your not, and you serve the military, then I really, REALLY would like to shake your hand. I am proud of you for fighting for our freedom in America, and God Bless you. |
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AlpoRaggins Troubadour Not so much dead. Since: 12-11-04 From: Someday, Somewhere, Over the Rainbow Since last post: 6612 days Last activity: 6502 days |
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Oooookay. I have no idea if that was supposed to offend me or not (I really don't understand when someone is being sarcastic or not on a board). So Sajin, you did not upset me, you are just confusing me a little bit  . So I'm just gonna step outta here before I say anything more to get anyone angry (I take it I gotta expect anger...). And I will add that I don't think I properly stated my stance on this, cause it seems like nobody, through that response or any IM's, have gotten the point of what I said. It DID have a point that I thought was resonable, but I can see where it would look otherwise...
***Now this has almost nothing to do with the topic at hand but I think its a good point to bring up; if you think you've lost, if you've decided already that everyone around you won't agree with a thing you said... don't even bother fighting. Its kind of pitiful, especially on a board, and especially when it gets down to a personal level, which I can tell it will VERY shortly if I go on. So for future references, if you can predict a fight between you and another membert, be mature and step down, okay? We get too many threads that start from little things people have said and escalate into bullshit nobody on here likes reading. Say to yourself, as I am saying to myself at this exact moment "Okay, okay! I'm a wimp. I give up. I'm wrong in your eyes and my opinion means nothing if it offends you, so it makes no sense to continue. I lose, I gotta go, goodbye." I'm sure you'd rather here that than "OH YEAH? WELL *&(^&$$^$^##@* YOU AND YOUR *(*^%%# IDEALS"... like I could say.*** Nevertheless, resume on topic. |
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True Flight The One Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Thus the people who do this crap get sent to court. Not just any court, but a military court. To be honest the way the military punishes is really REALLY strict. And that's just putting it nicely. When you are kicked out of the military you are not aloud to work in any places that would be put on a military base. Therefore you are left with about NOTHING to get a job in. McDonald's; gone, Burger King; not there; Books a Million? Nope on base... What about Blockbuster; heeeelll naw. |
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