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In your own opinion, do you feel this is an example of hypocrisy?| Yes. |
70.0%, 7 votes | No. |
30.0%, 3 votes | I don't know. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance         Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| NOTE: This is meant for OPINIONS, not flaming of any religion, sexual preference, other users for their opinions, etc. You have been warned.
As quoted in the Qur'an. Men and women believers must dress modestly. Originally posted by Qur'an This has been interpreted by most Muslims to mean that women must cover up everything but their face and hands. Anything that can be deemed attractive, by other men than a woman's husband, must be covered. For the most part, bare shoulders, bare arms, bare midriff, bare legs, bare ankles, anything that leans towards "immoral clothing or implied immoral suggestions of life" is wrong, hence why Americans piss off many in the Muslim community. Now with that said... Here's a photo of a Muslim girl:  (Last edited by Rogue on 12-26-05 05:44 PM) |
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Cairoi This isn't about you and your loud mouth, This is about me and my fucking beard. Since: 08-29-04 From: PA Since last post: 4848 days Last activity: 4472 days |
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| ^.^ Wow. This pisses me off.
So, this is just like the godamn Crusades. Preaching something while living another. Their hypocrisy fills my gut with disgust. That is one thing that pisses me off. Grr.... |
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geeogree Ninji Since: 10-19-04 Since last post: 5174 days Last activity: 267 days |
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| I see nothing wrong with principle idea behind it
attempting to not seduce men that you aren't married to is a good thing. I don't think women should cover everything but hands and face but I definitely think girls/women don't wear enough clothing. It's just not that sexy. I also agree that it is hyporisy that the daughter of a top Al Queida member is allowed to dress like that. But of course, the ideas of Al Queida aren't exactly the most positive or sensical of ideas. |
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Jity Horo Beast  Since: 01-01-05 Since last post: 6677 days Last activity: 5892 days |
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| Yea thats definately hypocrisy. She needs to cover up anyway *shudder*. Sheer Ugliness.
Anyhoo, since shes like the top members realtive she's more then likely allowed to skimp over a few rules. |
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avatar of law Beezo  Since: 12-29-04 From: paris, canada Since last post: 5767 days Last activity: 5767 days |
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| wait a damn minute rogue.... dont even try to play that shit.... niece... meaning one of his brother, or sister's daughter right? osama is seven of 50 in his family.... there's no damn way for him to fucking control his other 49 siblings, let alone his hundreds and hundreds of nieces or nephews... DON'T TWIST THE FACTS! | |||
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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Originally posted by avatar of law I'm not twisting anything, and I'm not taking a stance. I'm posing a question. Take it down a notch, cowboy. Whether or not they even know each other, she's still of the Muslim faith. |
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avatar of law Beezo Since: 12-29-04 From: paris, canada Since last post: 5767 days Last activity: 5767 days |
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| regardless, you're presenting us with a question, and even showed a picture of "Osama bin Laden"'s family member, who supposibly is supposed to be a super muslim because of his powers within the network, yet you do not even mention the fact that he has hundreds and hundreds of nieces. that's totally twisting the facts.
a reasonable person would not have guessed, or even imagened that Laden would even have 50 brothers and sisters, yet alone hundreds of nieces, therefore, the format of the question is horribly prejudicial. if you however had a picture of his wife or daughter, i wouldnt say anything, but this is really bad =/ what you're doing is essentially going to a fat camp for kids, and saying "i've randomly went to a childen's camp, and have found out that all of america's children are overweight" and not even revealing that you were at a fat camp. it's totally prejudicial towards the facts. but then again, i'll give you the benifit of the doubt and say that you didnt know he had 49 other sibblings in his family  (Last edited by avatar of law on 12-23-05 08:59 PM) |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| OK, forget the fact that she's a relative of his. Take that little factoid away.
Picky picky picky... What do we still have? She is Muslim. Her faith states that smidgen of a quote you seem to be neglecting. How is she dressed? Well... how is she dressed? Acceptable? I personally don't care. If she wanted to run around naked, that's her affair, not mine. Incidentally, Muslims are very tight-knit and fraternal, even for such large numbers. |
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01001000 Slow Ride Take It Easy  Since: 01-10-05 Since last post: 6526 days Last activity: 5876 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree That would be because she's an American citizen and says that she wants nothing to do with Al Queda. |
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geeogree Ninji Since: 10-19-04 Since last post: 5174 days Last activity: 267 days |
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| Hobo: wow thanks.... you needed to quote me specifically for that?
my feeling on the subject is that if you claim to be part of a religion, then follow the religion the way it is supposed to be... |
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Shuyin Baron of Radical  Since: 08-19-04 Since last post: 3964 days Last activity: 3870 days |
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| I wish I could take back my vote. I voted without doing any research or reading the rest of the posts. I looked her up and she is indeed a US citizen. In fact she will be (or already did) be posing in GQ.
I didn't find anything citing her religous beliefs so I can't really touch on that. But even if she is/was of Muslim faith and dressed like that. Go her. She lives in America, she should be able to enjoy the freedom to wear whatever the hell she wants. |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering  Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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| I'm not sure what to think... gut instinct tells me to go with geeogree's "if you claim to be part of a religion, then follow the religion the way it is supposed to be". But... what if she doesn't believe that all aspects of the religion are correct? If you believe that something about your religion is wrong, who do you choose to be true to? Yourself or your religion? | |||
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geeogree Ninji Since: 10-19-04 Since last post: 5174 days Last activity: 267 days |
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| well, I guess if people want to treat religion that way they can...
picking and choosing what rules they like and which ones they don't. I'm sticking with either you're all Muslim or you're not. There are probably other denominations that are less strict and that may be how she sees herself. There is no way to define that girl just by using Muslim. There are enough variations in every religion that allow for some moderate variability in interpretation of religous texts. |
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Kaijin Surohm Living the dream  Since: 08-16-04 Since last post: 1676 days Last activity: 863 days |
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| I don't find the girl to be Hypocritical.
Take me for example: Christianity. Go to Chruch, be a good person, dress appropriately, worship god in anyway you can, donate to church, etc, etc, etc. I don't go to church, I'm an asshole whenever I want, I dress however I want, i gave up prayer, I find church donations to be a priests scam. Yes I'm still Christian? intresting. (Before you start flaming me, read this next part) Thats an example of what I'm trying to say: Just because you have a religion, that dosn't mean it's a strict ruleset for your life. It's something you can believe in. For example (again) : I believe there WAS an Adam and Eve, but I also believe in the story of Lilith. Adam's First wife. Christiantiy preaches that Adam and Eve were the first. I don't believe that, lol. Anyway, getting past all that rambling, my point in general is, just because you have a Religion, dosn't mean that religion is the rulebook to your life. |
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geeogree Ninji Since: 10-19-04 Since last post: 5174 days Last activity: 267 days |
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| I guess that's the difference between just believing in something and actually living it
you can claim to be Christian all you want but that doesn't make you one. I could claim to be anything I wanted to but my actions speak louder than my words in determining whether I am actually what I claim to be. |
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avatar of law Beezo Since: 12-29-04 From: paris, canada Since last post: 5767 days Last activity: 5767 days |
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Originally posted by Kaijin Surohm i guess that's your interpretation to the meaning of life, but in practical means, a religion IS a set of rules to life. The reason why it’s called a “Religion” instead of “Conveniences” is because of the sets of rules you MUST follow. You’re not supposed to pick and choose what you’d like, and still call yourself whatever it is the religion you supposibly believe in. The definition of hypocrisy is the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. Unless you’ve changed that definition, you are a hypocrite. you can however say that you practice christinity, but you cannot say that you are a real christian. like, if you have never read any law books, or gone to any law classes or anything in law for that matter, you cannot claim that you are a lawyer just because you like lawyers and their lifestyle. you believe there is a united states constitution, but you also believe in the articles of confederation. the articles of confederation is our first constitution. united states history teaches that the united states constitution is first, i dont believe that. SAME EXAMPLE! just cause you know a few things here and there, yet completly ignore the core principles like going to law school (church), being an honest lawyer (good person), dress appropriately, ect... does not mean you are a lawyer. i'm not trying to be mean or put you down or anything. i'm just pointing out the fact that you said it's not hypocrisy, yet that's exactly what the word means. i know exactly what you are trying to say, but i cant help it if your interpretation is not right in praticial means. it is right in how religion should, or could be, but it isnt how it's praticed in real life. (Last edited by avatar of law on 12-26-05 12:53 AM) |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica.  Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| Okay, I want to get information of several things here before I vote.
First of all, what evidence do we actually have of here religion? Her uncle is a leader of the religions terroist group? That's Bin laden, she is not him. So, what evidence is there that she is, in fact, a muslim? Also, I agree, she should cover up quiet a bit, but I'm just like that. |
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geeogree Ninji Since: 10-19-04 Since last post: 5174 days Last activity: 267 days |
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| well, we did already kind of go over a lot of that. We realize that Bin Laden may not have a lot of influence and it is possible that she isn't muslim and we have sort of moved on in the discussion.
And yeah, I do agree.... regardless of religion, she could use more clothing |
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2479 days Last activity: 1330 days |
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| I think most can agree on that last statement.
But I also think some people are entirely too quick to judge based on what religion you think she is. And on the note of religion, doesn't it say something in the bible about not judging others..? The exact quote escapes me, it's been a while, but you know what I'm getting at, don't you? |
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01001000 Slow Ride Take It Easy Since: 01-10-05 Since last post: 6526 days Last activity: 5876 days |
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| Judge not lest ye be judged - ???
I belive Jesus said that, though I'm not sure. Also, the only reason I can remember that qoute is because I listen to Metallica. |
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