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Xeoman

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Since: 08-14-04
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Posted on 07-28-05 11:23 AM Link
Originally posted by True Flight
Here's my question...

If you believed you are saved and forgiven for your sins, why are you even worrying about going to hell because you sinned? You know you can always say "Lord I'm sorry..." Or "I messed up and I'm admitting to it..." So forth and so on...

Sorry... I just get real annoyed with the people who believe that you have to be saved back and forth...


I've thought about that one plenty of times.

Regardless, you are still ultimatly judged at the end of the road.

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Since: 10-07-04
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Posted on 07-28-05 12:52 PM Link
Originally posted by True Flight
Tell me why people think I can convert people to religious, let alone Christian views? I'm not bashing, I just hate the fact that people put a huge thing on MY shoulders.... I don't minister to people, because I'm not a bible beater.


I'm not either I was just joking there with the repent thing... I belive that it's that person's choice if they want religion or not...

I dont do up and say, "Hi your going to go to hell if you dont repent right now..."

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Posted on 07-28-05 01:17 PM Link
Originally posted by True Flight
Here's my question...

If you believed you are saved and forgiven for your sins, why are you even worrying about going to hell because you sinned? You know you can always say "Lord I'm sorry..." Or "I messed up and I'm admitting to it..." So forth and so on...

Sorry... I just get real annoyed with the people who believe that you have to be saved back and forth...


That's another thing I like about my religion.

In the last days you are judged only by your actions, not by your belief. When you die, then sure you go through the whole heaven/hell thing based on what you believe, but rather than stay there for an eternity, you are taught what to believe, and then you go go to heaven.

Then, in the last days, after the tribulations, Jesus comes. Everyone is ressurected, and Christ rules over us for 1000 years.

Then comes our final judement, where we are placed in one of three kingdoms, based on our actions Celestial(the best), Terestial(not really the best, but somewhat good), and the telestial where all the murderers go.

That's just my opinion on the subject.
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Since: 10-03-04
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Posted on 07-29-05 12:02 AM Link
Should I reply to this..?

I know that it's impossible to prove the existence of any deities either way. Can't prove they're there, can't prove they aren't. I believe, as some know, that there isn't a god, but will accept that I could very well be wrong.

I feel that religion, while bringing many bad things, has brought an equal amount of good to the world, and so long as people don't try to convert me I don't care who or what they worship.

As for my family, for the curious... My mother and stepfather are pagan (mom says she's not entirely Wiccan anymore, I never bothered prying the details out of her), my grandmother that lives here is Christian (more specific, I do not know)... what a mix, what a mix...
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 07-29-05 12:11 AM Link
I can top that I think. My great grandmother is a Jehovah's Witness while my great grandfather is an Atheist... perhaps that was why they spilt, but yeah, I find it hilarious.

I'm Pagan, my mom is Lutheran, dad is just Christian (never baptised actually), two siblings are Catholic, the oldest is some form of Christian. Mom's family is Lutheran, my dad's is "Christian" with the exception of my aunt and her family which are born again Christian Bible thumpers.

... most of the family doesn't know about me, at least the adults.
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Posted on 07-29-05 12:18 AM Link
Man, you guys have it badly.

As far as I know, most of my family is strictly Christian.

Not sure about my dads side of the family though, not sure if they're anything for the matter.
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Since: 10-06-04
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Posted on 07-29-05 03:39 PM Link
Originally posted by True Flight
Originally posted by Darkness
Originally posted by X Marks the Spot
I've read the bible before, although I wasn't raised in any religion...

Could you imagine me as a preacher...

"And then God said to Jesus, 'Your Mom'."



LoL thats funny...Anyway X I must convert you to become a christan now...

*takes out a gun that shots bibles*

"Repent"

Anyway Im oviously a christan and do my best to follow the bibles teaching...(I screw up a lot...And dont repent enough too...)


That Darkness, is why I'm annoyed by those two words.... Repent and then there's thother word convert. I swear my grands annoyed the crap out of me with this prayer.

"We shall see a great conversion amongst the crowds, and you're going to be the cause Sarah. Amen.... Amen..."

Tell me why people think I can convert people to religious, let alone Christian views? I'm not bashing, I just hate the fact that people put a huge thing on MY shoulders.... I don't minister to people, because I'm not a bible beater.

Darkness was kidding when he says repent and convert, he knows he couldn't do either...

I'm pretty sure he was just trying to be funny, he's just not very good at it.

Here's a question I've always wondered about, is there really a difference between Cristianity and Catholicism?
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Since: 10-07-04
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Posted on 07-29-05 07:09 PM Link
X you already should know the answer to that...Remember when you and me were

arguing and you said that they were the same thing and I said they were

different.... My history teacher settled it and proved you wrong...

O and by the way about me not being funny I wasnt trying too... I was trying to

imply that your impossible to convert...
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Posted on 07-30-05 01:17 AM Link
Originally posted by X Marks the Spot
Originally posted by True Flight
Originally posted by Darkness
Originally posted by X Marks the Spot
I've read the bible before, although I wasn't raised in any religion...

Could you imagine me as a preacher...

"And then God said to Jesus, 'Your Mom'."



LoL thats funny...Anyway X I must convert you to become a christan now...

*takes out a gun that shots bibles*

"Repent"

Anyway Im oviously a christan and do my best to follow the bibles teaching...(I screw up a lot...And dont repent enough too...)


That Darkness, is why I'm annoyed by those two words.... Repent and then there's thother word convert. I swear my grands annoyed the crap out of me with this prayer.

"We shall see a great conversion amongst the crowds, and you're going to be the cause Sarah. Amen.... Amen..."

Tell me why people think I can convert people to religious, let alone Christian views? I'm not bashing, I just hate the fact that people put a huge thing on MY shoulders.... I don't minister to people, because I'm not a bible beater.

Darkness was kidding when he says repent and convert, he knows he couldn't do either...

I'm pretty sure he was just trying to be funny, he's just not very good at it.

Here's a question I've always wondered about, is there really a difference between Cristianity and Catholicism?


Yes and no.

Consider Christianity a polygon and Catholicism a square.

All polygons aren't squares, but all squares are polygons. Just like all christians aren't catholic, but all catholics are christian.

Yay for me giving a stellar analogy. *Pats himself on the back.*
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Posted on 07-30-05 09:05 PM Link
This again?

Well I can say Christians do things differently, most Christian Church's at least. Like "Youth Group" and things like that, I'm pretty sure most Catholic's don't get involved with those kinds of things. So in my opinion, yes Christianity and Catholicism go together like peanut butter and jelly, but Catholicism seems more laid back about things.

I can also vouce (having been to so many Church's) that Christianity highly focuses on Worship (singing, praising, the music, etc).

That's one thing I never liked about Church.


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Since: 12-11-04
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Posted on 07-30-05 10:00 PM Link
I was christened a Christian. I went to a Lutheran church for a while when I was VERY young. But then I realized that my mother practiced tribadism and I found that it would've been impossible to be a follower of anything christian with such bizarre upbringings. Ha. Look up tribadism and you'll see why.

As for myself, I practice a gradually formulating idealism. First rule, just move with whatever you've got and pick up what you need on the way. Want something? Set it as a goal. Can't get it? Move on. Have a positive outlook on everything. Emotional outbursts lead only to embarrassment. Stay cool as a cucumber and if shit comes flying at you? Shrug it off and kiss the ape that threw it at you. Someone wants to be your enemy? Try and be their friend. They're not into that sort of pansy friendship bullshit? Thats the way it flows, don't let them be too much of a dam in your river. Walk with sleepy eyes and dreamy thoughts and share them with others. Just stay bright, accept, don't argue, skip, write, dance, laugh, and flow past the jeers and into whatever your heart desires.

When I die, I picture heaven as a sea. You've gotten past the river, you know all about your surroundings, and something bigger awaits you later on.

I say all this because this is what I found what works to make me as happy as I can be. Its no religion, and its barely philosophy. Just thoughts that work for me...
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Posted on 08-02-05 08:14 PM Link
Originally posted by Xeolord
This again?

Well I can say Christians do things differently, most Christian Church's at least. Like "Youth Group" and things like that, I'm pretty sure most Catholic's don't get involved with those kinds of things. So in my opinion, yes Christianity and Catholicism go together like peanut butter and jelly, but Catholicism seems more laid back about things.

I can also vouce (having been to so many Church's) that Christianity highly focuses on Worship (singing, praising, the music, etc).

That's one thing I never liked about Church.


Hmm... Well there's Catholic church here in Harris County that has a youth group.
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Posted on 08-03-05 03:22 AM Link
there's far too many beliefs in this world. too much fear put into them too. like do blank and go to hell. do blank and it'll come back X amount of times worser. dont do blank and blank will happen to you. obey blank you'll be sorry. it's okay if you do blank as long as you apologize and ask for forgiveness. you cant celebrate blank holiday because it's a man made holiday, or your god didnt invent it. you cant eat blank on blank week. on blank day, you are to rest, because he rested. blah blah blah blah...

if you dont believe in what i believe, you'll go to hell! let's go to other countries and save the savages, and if they dont listen, we'll kill them. in the name of god i have vanquished the non-believers. if you're gay you have sinned. sex is only for procreation. obey thy father and they mother. blow up the heathens along with yourself and you'll be rewarded with 40 virgins in heaven. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR.....

why cant there be one that says try to do good or something, not because you'll be rewarded or punished, but because it's the right thing to do.


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Posted on 08-03-05 03:58 AM Link
The idea of confessing anything is ludicrous...

I've got Root Beer...

Anyway, the idea of religion isn't to force people into believing, or scaring them into believing... The idea of a religion is to give guide lines to help you be a better person, but that doesn't mean you have to follow all the rules and confess and go to church and stuff...

You don't even need to be part of a religion to help people and commit random acts of kindness, people shouldn't have to be frightened into helping one another...

And when we die, we're probably just gonna rot in the ground, all you can do is try to be the best person you can with the time you have on this planet...

You can't get to Heaven on roller skates, cause' you'll roll right past those pearly gates...

Sorry, just had to say that.
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Posted on 08-06-05 04:43 AM Link
the only thing i dont like about the main streamed religion is their rules. if someone goes up to you and says, i believe that the moon is made out of cheese, and there are 50 million persons behind me who too believe it. now sir, do you believe it too, or do i have to kill you? THAT'S INSANE! but it's true... millions of ppl have been killed because they dont believe what others believe, and that's the real shame of religions. why does it have to be like that?

like why ppl dont like jews. supposibly jesus is the guy who will save everyone. the jews didnt seem to think so, and so didnt the romans. it wasnt only the jews who killed him, the romans helped too, but no one seems to hate the romans. and plus, most ppl seemed to have forgotten that jesus was also a jew at one point.

then there's the catholics and christians. it's practially the same religion, except for some differences. they hate each other! it doesnt make any sense.

then there's the whole, buy your way into heaven. martin luther didnt like how the church was doing things like that so he spoke against it. what happened, he got excommunicated because of that.

all i'm saying is that... ALL THIS CRAP HAPPENED A MILLION YEARS AGO! how the bible was made and things like that. why are ppl still listening to the rantings of ppl who lived a million years ago? i'm not saying anyone is stupid or anything like that but look at it carefully. i mean, you're seriously going to listen to the same ppl who believes that the world is flat, and you'll fall off?! or that the earth is the center of the universe? think about it =/ i'm not trying to change anyone's opinion or anything like that, i'm just saying they were crazy back in the olden times, so why still cling onto their twisted beliefs? especially when it was made to kept the ignorant masses under control, and to keep the king in power by saying he's a decendant of god, or god has personally chosen him to be king. it's propaganda made millions of years ago for the ignorant masses. we're not living in such a time like that anymore.

look at all the mid-eastern countries if you dont believe what i'm saying. like how they keep their women under control with their religion or how they cover their women with religion.

again, i'm not saying anyone is stupid, i'm just saying look at the patterns and the times of when your religion was made, and the rules your religion have.

like how you are to only worship HIM and only HIM. or how you're supposed to obey your father and mother, because the mothers and fathers wanted to keep you oppressed. martin luther questioned authority, and the church is teaching you to NOT question authority, but to blindly follow it to your grave.

how can you believe in something that tells you to respect others, yet it dismisses others who are different, like gays. or Souls, and how a black man has no soul because he doesnt believe in the same god you do, so therefore he must be killed. or the whole, if you dont believe in god you'll go to hell. the world is a vast vast place, how can this ONE religion be true? why is the devil punishing "wicked" people? i thought the devil was wicked himself and loves to do evil things, so why would he punish those like him? that makes no sense. how big is this "heaven?" i'm sure there's no one, not even god himself can keep track of all the trillions of souls who have died and gone to heaven.

then there's the whole holidays like easter. it's being dressed up to be about candy and fuzzy bunnies to attract the kids so they'll stay within the religion. or santa clause will give you presents if you're a good boy and listen to your parents, whom ultimatly teaches you things about god. i can go on and on for days... but again, i'm not saying anyone is wrong. i'm just saying look around you and think for yourself.


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Posted on 08-17-05 06:22 PM Link
I am an Athiest.

Catholics/Christians/Jews/any-other-religion-that-believes-there-is-a-heaven: Is there any reason, excluding hope of course, that someone would believe that there was some sort of Heaven? This is a question I pose to you.

To me this is a ludicris thought.

And honestly, for what reason other than beign good for fear of punishment, would there be a hell?

I believe we create the world for ourselves by any means we can, and suffer no consequences other than the mental and physical, from our actions. Except in some occasions the presence of moral guilt.
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Posted on 08-17-05 09:36 PM Link
Xeios: and what is wrong with giving people hope, or scaring them into not doing things that might hurt themselves
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Posted on 08-17-05 09:43 PM Link
I never meant that there was anything wrong with it. I am just stating a simple reason why I don't believe in religion. I think It's not right to have people believe in false hope. False hope is cruel, even if the person believing in it does not know it to be false until the last moment of life, it is still cruel.
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Posted on 08-18-05 06:10 PM Link
you think it's cruel that a belief in an afterlife might make grief after a death easier on someone.... or the fear of death is lessened?

I personally like the reasurance that when I die that might not be the end for me.

Avatar: I read a lot of what you said.... and it didn't make a lot of sense. Sorry. You generalized things too much, and assumed a lot that wasn't true. You need to get your facts straight.
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Posted on 08-18-05 07:39 PM Link
Well, yes, I chose not to believe in anything because it gives me more hope knowing that I won't be disappointed in the end if there is nothing. And if I go to hell or some sort of eternal punishment for it, tough shit, I'll have to deal with that then.

And I really dislike the fact that every creation we modern day people take into effect as truth has been marked as evil by the catholics and christians.

For example: The earth is round, Earth is not the center of the universe, Evolution is practically true, the missing links stop us from being able to prove it thouroughly, Sex is not bad for you if not kept until marriage, masturbation is healty.
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