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Shuyin Baron of Radical          Since: 08-19-04 Since last post: 3967 days Last activity: 3873 days |
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Actually there was no third Xeios.
Shin-Ra has not stepped on my toes. Therefore, I bear no grudge against them. I read a few of their battles and there are faults on both sides. I have no qualms with them being here. Shin-Ra seems to have a big ego as a whole and that seems to be why several members dislike them. |
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Dark Lord 666 Merchant  Since: 07-21-05 From: Austin, Texas Since last post: 7058 days Last activity: 7040 days |
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| Personally, I have no problem with any of you. I don't enjoy arguement, I prefer to speak with my Sim-Battling, a trait that Vel and myself share. I have no ego, or I don't really find any need to expose it. Xeios really speaks big words, if he can back them up, that's beyond me. Saying that your best fighter can take out 3 of us at the same time is very false, and I can bet that he'd even admit he can't, and that he'd even have trouble with one of us (If you're referring to Sparda, or Kaijin). Xeios, please don't spread such lies, even if it was "probably" statement. | |||
Benja Battering Bird Since: 08-15-04 From: none of your damn business Since last post: 508 days Last activity: 508 days |
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| Alright, ill put it this way:
Im gonna review the two sides on the matter, correct me if im wrong, but this is how i see it. Xeogaming/avalanche/those lesbo girls off of FFX2( i know i still think they are shoot me): This is the home of Xeogaming, it has been for almost 2 years. They have been here for that matter of time, they feel that someone comes in acting all high and mighty and want to bend the rules to where they see fit. They want things to run the same because its about fun to them. Kaijin is a major enforcer of this rule and seems to think things are fine as is and dont need to be tempered with. Many others on the board agree that the rules should stay intact for all to battle freely and have a good time. Shin-ra: Owned by the CEO of shin-ra........reno. These are expierienced sim-battlers that come from another board where they have their own set of rules. They come here wanting to battle some of the other sim battlers to see if their skills can be uncontended. Some have a problem with the way the rules here are used, some just want to have a good time sim-battling and go from there. They want some of the rules they implied to be able to be used upon this board to make their battling easier for them and they think it would be ok for the rest of the board to imply some of these rules. People, the answer is simple, there needs to be a sit down discussion between the two parties that are represented on both sides instead of this war shit thats going down. Cockiness of "My guys could kick your guys ass" is getting no one anywhere, it doesnt matter if they can.......so what? Your a better sim-battler? You won a SIM BATTLE?! Nuh-uh that isnt getting anywhere, now what xion did to kaijin was way wrong, and that cant happen or shit will hit the fan, but i know along with other people that we are gettin sick and tired of whats going on. I for one like to see a little chaos, but this has exploded within ones self. Look at whats happened? This board isnt a message board, but its chaos with "whos on who" side! We always welcome new members and want to post, but if this keeps up then i dont know what the hells gonna happen. Thank you all for your time. |
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Dark Lord 666 Merchant Since: 07-21-05 From: Austin, Texas Since last post: 7058 days Last activity: 7040 days |
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| Well, I suppose a sit down wouldn't be such a bad thing, but Reno should be unbanned. He was unrightfully banned. Just because someone has an "attitude" you ban him? Makes little to no sense to me. *Shrugs*
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Leviathan Magician  Since: 07-20-05 From: The 217th layer of hell. Quite temperate actually. Since last post: 5542 days Last activity: 5453 days |
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| Reno was banned..for having an attitude?
I do believe most of my fellow Shin-Ra know what i speak of when i say "This CAN NOT end well". We suggested a new rule...not only were we FLAMED for it, but another member has gone ahead and tossed up a poll for the sole purpose of having our own revoked. You don't like the fucking rule? VOTE AGAINST IT. But no. Instead, you ban Reno for having an "attitude". We have been cocky. Brash. Bold. Even arrogant. But we have NOT been NEARLY as abusive as the members of this board. And let me tell you something ladies and gentlemen...if our members start being banned for THIS kind of bullshit, you will find us significantly more difficult to get along with. Show me a flame (worse than what your members have done), blatant and repeated spam, or a hacking attempt on the part of Reno. Show me ANYTHING that dictates a site ban that your OWN members have not done. (Last edited by Leviathan on 07-25-05 04:56 AM) |
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True Flight The One Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 102 days |
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| *cross vein* I'm sorry to hear that you lost your founder, but what happens happens. Look he's going to be back in time, just do not start up something big. *smirks* I hope you know who the heck you all are trying to annoy. Ofcourse I see the irony of you all in your "priding of the joys of description" and then you lose because someone writes down four sentences. *laughs* I'm sorry, I just look at the brighter side to this whole thing.
If you really want to complain about someone being banned, talk to Xeo, Kaijin, or anyone in the staff and we'll tell you why someone was banned... I think... Infact Reno's going to be gone for TWO more days. If you all had the patience you can wait that long and then you'll be able to take up people on their challenges. On another note: Reno: Me: WOAH WOAH WOAH!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN HER?! opening one-hit godmod. I used the power of her own attack to fuel my attack, my attack was almost flawless in execution and I stated so. If there is a way out, it is not a godmod, but there are rediculously cheap ways to dodge moves, such as teleportation." You know you need to take your chances and try something else. In your description you describe everything BUT how to dodge it, because some people aren't so into the battle they do what their characters should do. What if you had a character say... Like one of mine, maxxed out on speed, defense, and reaction. Well I never said she was maxxed out on accuracy, so you could say she was sloppy with how she sent her attacks, infact she would have to be so close to you she would have to physically hit you if she used "magic", but I never said that she was half way decent with accuracy.... Hmmmm? But the profile would say it. That's the problem here. In a simbattle you need both AIM or some sort of IM to talk to the person and the board up. I dunno if I battled you all I would constantly ask you all "What did you do?" or "what the hell?" or something like that. I talk to people before I post something up sometimes if I have a question, infact my battle of Mira v.s. Mika was basically sloppy to me because I never talked to Shaddow about what was going on. So I had to constantly go back and fix my problem here.  wow I posted a ton.
Edit: Congratulations for bringing variety to the pot though. *thumbs up* I don't mind the fact that you all are bringing description, you shouldn't just force your ideals onto other people though, it's just that people are stubborn and they don't want to change. Think about that for a change instead of changing anyone. Please say the name of the character or the person who MADE the character too. (Last edited by True Flight on 07-25-05 10:32 AM) |
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Jedi Master Desroth Priest  Since: 08-24-04 From: Macomb Since last post: 5272 days Last activity: 4712 days |
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| Benja, nothing needs to be discussed for rule changing just because 3 new members from Shin-Ra come here and cant cope with our rules. Look, its fine you want to come here and check out our skills in a simbattle, but dont start trying to nudge your rules into ours. This is OUR board, and when you registered, you obviously did not read our battle rules. There were no unfair punishments handed down from Shaddow, he is the sim-battle mod, and enforces THE RULES. You know, when Reno makes a post that says he is going to dismember someone because he was called a baby or whatever happened, we dont take kindly to it. Not only is dismembering ILLEGAL in a sim battle, it just makes people believe that you have no life outside of sim battleing if you cant get over someone calling you a baby. Now, i dont have a problem with any of the other members so far, only Reno has been the real troublemaker. With that said, if you find our rules unfair and or to broad, go somewhere else, or, when you make your battles, post that you will NOT be following normal rules, and use your rules JUST FOR THAT BATTLE. Dont try to come here and start stirring up trouble by trying to make us like you. We are not like you, we like the simplicity of our rules. We dont want to make sim battleing something we must work our ass of to do, we want to enjoy it and have fun (thats even in our rules as well: HAVE FUN!). Shin-Ra members, please, just follow our rules. You can keep your detailed posts, just make sure they fit in to our rules.
DesEdit: Fit not Fight... (Last edited by Jedi Master Desroth on 07-25-05 01:00 PM) |
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Shuyin Baron of Radical Since: 08-19-04 Since last post: 3967 days Last activity: 3873 days |
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| Actually. They have the right to propose new rules just as much as anyone else. They won't necessarily pass, but they can still bring up the idea. | |||
Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator  Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 90 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| I may as well ... even if I don't ever SIM, oh well.
As I've already stated to several other members, I think this "Whole" thing, has just gotten out of hand, truthfully this shouldn't be that big of a deal in my opinion. I've said it since the beginning, people are very allowed to write up their own rules for their own SIM Battles, as long as fairness and balance is intact, it's fine for them to do that. Our rules are not Global Sim Battle rules for the world to use, but just the "General" rules for people who just want to Sim, and don't really take it so seriously. It seems like some people here just don't want to accept this, and think our rules MUST be followed. But on the Shin-Ra side, I can say I agree with others, that you guys have come here, and have come out to be a little arrogant. I think if you guys were just more relaxed here, and not too worried about "Coming here and showing people who's boss", we'd all get along a lot better, with the other side co-working also. So, in short, I think this entire thing has been taken too far, and I don't see how it sparked to be something that's spreaded commotion throughout the entire board. People are free to have their own opinions, rules, and whatnot for Sim, we're not here to force those. But if you come in here as a new person, and show little respect and are quite arrogant, don't expect very much respect back. [insert 2 cents comment here] (Last edited by Xeolord on 07-25-05 06:11 PM) |
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Elyk X Bee Bot  Since: 07-25-05 Since last post: 6999 days Last activity: 6991 days |
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| haha....i find it funny when people say reno is the founder...
Anyway, Seems ive been dragged into this even though im RETIRED... 
I think the problem here isnt about rules and such, Its about common sense. You guys think what we do is so structured its not fun. We think that having no structure doesnt allow for anything fun. I RP battle to have fun(or did since i barely have time anymore). The fun is going into battle agaisnt someone and pitting your mind, your character, and creativity agaisnt the other person to create a battle that flows well and is logical. Moves done with common sense are required for such things. The only thing required in RPing is common sense. We arnt talking about some long elaborate scientific explination of every single minute detail. I'm talking about giving a semi rational explination on why your sword is unbreakable or can cut throguh anything. Like... its an artifact of magical properties created long about by "Blah blah blah". It doesnt matter as long as its "something" Its not hard for your mind to concoct some type of explination. it doesnt even have to be a GREAT one. Just logical = and the beauty part of it? Once you explain why such sword, or such powers work in one post. From then on you dont have to anymore, cause you already did. ive been a champion of RPing for years now. I've ran very succesful boards where RPing has been a major focus, but recently i found that my time for doing such things is not up to par. But now ive been dragged back...alas i guess its alright. The point im trying to make is... Its not hard to give an expination as to why you can use Ki energy. Whats that? you trained under master Mui for years training in the arts? alright good. Its not hard. |
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Vel Belmont Merchant  Since: 07-18-05 Since last post: 7041 days Last activity: 6636 days |
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| Elyk? Damn...now this has gotten interesting. However, Elyk we have no more room to say what we can, all we seem to do is keep repeating ourselves over and over again. We are not denied by any right to create special rules for our battle, as the Owner had said, they made basic rules here so that the newbie role players can have something to grasp, maybe in time this board will be ready for more advanced thought and logic, but until then, I see that we are the minority, even in we brought in our whole unified mass, we would just get bannned for interuptting their sweet little homested. I say we continue with what we have, if we wish to make a mark, we'll do it in their tournament. If we cant make a descision as a whole (this means for Shin-ra) We shall have to descide what to do with this mess.
~Tseng |
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Cyro Xero Rune Mage  Rave Atom  Since: 02-23-05 From: Minnesota!! Since last post: 52 days Last activity: 52 days |
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| I haven't quite figured out exactly where it is you guys have come from. A certain site/board? It's not often we get a whole group to come here at once. | |||
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Modest Revo Merchant  Since: 07-20-05 Since last post: 7019 days Last activity: 6875 days |
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| Hmm, there are 2 generations of Shin-Ra here. Us, the second generation of Shin-Ra, started in Anfiniti, though the first generation of Shin-Ra is pretty nomadic, I think. | |||
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True Flight The One Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 102 days |
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Originally posted by Xeios Logics are okay... making sense is alright, but forcing ideals on to this guy isn't going anywhere. Xeios, if you have a problem with logic think about it. Have you had problems with explaining on your lineage and race? Therefore if it's in your bloodline, you have the logical needs, okay? They way they look at it is like this: Your character can go as far as your imagination can go, but you have to put limits on your character. Why? Because you have to have the limits or you would be gming. Basically what Shin-Ra wants is for everyone to READ BETWEEN THE LINES. Find your own means of defending yourself. They aren't in anyway trying to flaunt it. Infact that's the least, of what I see. They want all the detail they can get before posting and they want to read between the lines for a way to dodge, as well as for you to do the same in description. Shin-Ra prides description, infact the least you should do Xeios is honor it. On the other hand, people don't change that easily, and they are stubborn, so forcing some of the theories you want on people is not going to help. What's better if you really want to bend the rules, bend them in the beginning of your battle. Say you want EVERY SINGLE detail possible in the beginning of your battle. The Sim battle rules are a guide line people, and you can fix that at the beginning of your battle. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT EVERYONE!! Originally posted by Vel Belmont It turns out that you're not a minority, infact TWELVE people voted for the rule. Therefore that was the majority. (Last edited by True Flight on 07-25-05 09:14 PM) |
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Elyk X Bee Bot Since: 07-25-05 Since last post: 6999 days Last activity: 6991 days |
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| A good chunk of the first generation is either fully retired or on limited time.
The original founder is on very limited time. I am on limited time looking to retire with one last great fight, cort is retired, and Killiak is MIA at the moment. Levi is here though it seems, and the "reno" now was a member of the original generation as well. But most of the orginal core members are pretty much gone. As our last stint as U-TIC wained. |
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True Flight The One Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 102 days |
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| I encourage there be a chat room made for this board so we can all sort this out plain and simple, just posting and waiting for someone to post is just something I do not like to do at times. I appreciate the fact that a huge group came in, means we get closer to 400 members, but what I don't appreciate is the fact there are people who don't want to take a look on both sides. | |||
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Leviathan Magician Since: 07-20-05 From: The 217th layer of hell. Quite temperate actually. Since last post: 5542 days Last activity: 5453 days |
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| We have explained our reasons for suggesting the new rule AND ourselves quite well. We have looked at your side...and have made suggestions on how to improve it. We recieved in return nothing but flaming and repeated cries of "No! You can't, because i don't like it!". Hell...some of our members have even been banned outright without having violated any major rules.
Elyk...welcome. Remember...Shin-Ra ebbs and flows. You know that as well as i. It is impossible for it to fade away...it will always come back twice as strong. |
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Xeios You WANKER! Since: 08-16-04 Since last post: 5076 days Last activity: 1386 days |
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| True, you are trying to say that I do not pride myself in description. I love description. I am merely trying to show the point of veiw that everyone who cannot describe as well. I defending their current right to not automatically become the lowest of the low. | |||
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Leviathan Magician Since: 07-20-05 From: The 217th layer of hell. Quite temperate actually. Since last post: 5542 days Last activity: 5453 days |
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| You do not NEED to have some incredible talent for description. Just some imagination and a little bit of common sense.
Really, that is all we are asking. We WILL outclass you in simming at your current levels. I'm not trying to brag, or put you down..the group here just has not had the experience. We would teach you more than you know if you bothered to stop and listen, instead of being instantly offended by our honestly and bluntness. |
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Elyk X Bee Bot Since: 07-25-05 Since last post: 6999 days Last activity: 6991 days |
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| lol...Levi you are kinda rash sounding though. Tact isnt your best suit.
Look, I generally do better at RP battling when the other person is really good. The better the person, the better i am. If i dont see the need to go all out, Ill post very little. Im a minalmist. My posts are generally shorter than the rest of "Shinra", but thats ok, cause im straight and to the point. This isnt about dominating, maybe think of it as experiancing what goes on out "there", and if you are wanting to meet more and more people who like to RP and experiance fun battles with those...then its a nessicary step. If not, then fine. But I will say this. lol.....Every community where RP "Starts" or has been sitting for a bit all has different veiws of how it should go. But eventually those communities get hit with those from other places(multiple places) that all go by a universal standard that isnt restricting at all. Hell i dont even know why im over here.... Damn Sean for dragging me into this, now im curious. Oh and WTF is up with the post bit? Some peoples posts have this weird ass pictures and different font structure in a pciture and it makes it hard to read their posts. |
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