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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable          Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| So it's heading into election season again and oh boy do we have a circus going this time! On the Democratic side, we have: Hillary Clinton Bernie Sanders Martin O'Malley Jim Webb Lincoln Chafee and maybe, possibly, but probably not Joe Biden. On the Republican side, as of today we have: Jeb Bush Marco Rubio Donald Trump Ted Cruz Carly Fiorina Ben Carson Chris Christie Jim Gilmore Lindsey Graham Mike Huckabee Bobby Jindal Rand Paul John Kasich George Pataki Rick Santorum Scott Walker Rick Perry was also running, but withdrew on 9/11/15 because he ran out of money. I know that I am not the only one that thinks that the Republican side is basically a clown car being driven by Donald Trump at this moment... I have had hardcore Republicans agree with me. It is pretty easy for that to happen when he is essentially getting unlimited free media coverage. All he has to do is say something stupid and offensive and BOOM, ratings! But aside from that, what are your thoughts on the primaries so far? I know it is early... but it is a very interesting field we have this year. |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica.  Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| Sadly, I completely agree with the republican side of things. I mean, yeah, I'm pretty ultra conservative, but Donald Trump in my opinion is a pretty horrible candidate.
The sad thing is, my favorite, Cruz, is being pretty much ignored. It's a shame, because he's one of the few who's been willing to stand up to his party time and time again, knows better than anybody about immigration, and just generally seems to have a good head on his shoulders. And then we have the democrat side. I admit I really haven't followed that as much, but I feel like Hilary has had so much bad bad baggage come out lately that, even though I can see her probably winning the primaries, she would get torn apart in the general election. So, in other words, long story short, I'm pretty scared that this next election is going to end up with me just voting for who I hate the least. |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Cruz terrifies me. Well, they all terrify me.
Have you checked out Bernie Sanders? Hillary Clinton hasn't really been phased by the continued email stuff, but Bernie is really starting to give her a challenge. |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| He is running a good campaign, I'll give him that, but everything about what he says just seems to scream false advertising. Somehow I just don't see a sudden transition to free colleges as being very practical, especially since anybody (especially in the lower class) can get free grants already through FAFSA. Seriously, my family's not even poor, just middle class, and I haven't had to pay a dime for college.
So yeah, I know I'm sort of alone on the board for my dislike of Obama, but as far as policy goes, that's all I really see happening from either Sanders or Clinton, and that's just not what I want next election. |
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Phoenixocracy The one true Xeodent  Since: 01-08-10 From: Xeomerica Since last post: 1695 days Last activity: 1695 days |
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Originally posted by The One True Xeodent I don't agree with that. He may be promising more than would actually go through, since he's going to be highly opposed in the House and Senate, but I think he truly does want to save the country from itself. I also don't believe that college education is easily accessible to enough Americans. I would gladly pay another small tax if it meant eliminating tuition and giving otherwise-unable people a chance to get a higher education. I wanted Hilary to win over Obama in the initial Democratic election in 08. But I think Sanders is blowing her out of the water right now, and I'd like to see him in Office. |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 91 days Last activity: 89 days |
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| I'm also pro-Bernie. I know that he won't be able to make everything that he wants a reality, as Phoenix said, but we need more presidents that are willing to make positive changes. I just spent a week in Berlin and all I can say is that people seem much happier over there. Their standard of living is just better, and I could see the United States benefitting from being a socialist democracy like the many countries in Europe. | |||
Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator  Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 87 days Last activity: 76 days |
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| Have to say so far I like what I've heard from Bernie Sanders as well. It's not much, but he definitely gives off the vibe that he'd be a big change from the last few presidents we've had. Which should be a good thing I'd hope.
I'm still pretty behind though and need to do some homework on everything,I definitely feel like this will be a very crucial election. The Trump joke needs to end though. Even if this guy is spouting out good stuff, I just can't take a celebrity seriously at all. GTFO. lol |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 91 days Last activity: 89 days |
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| The fact that I know some people that are unironically voting for Trump makes me weep for the how uneducated a lot of the United States citizens are. | |||
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| I will say this for him though, he is probably the best guy to help with the economy. It's just all of his other values that I'm not a fan of. | |||
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Running a business and running a government are two completely different things. Every time they elect someone because they are a "businessman" who would "be good for the economy" they inevitably screw it up even worse.
Also, Trump's "plan" for dealing with other countries and big companies seem to consist of him acting like a dictator with sole power of negotiation and thinking he can just force people to his will... reality would never work that way, not to mention it would not actually be legal because the president doesn't have that kind of authority! As for college tuition.... My family was lower middle class... I couldn't get financial aid until I hit the age where I didn't have to put my parent's info down anymore. When I went for my Master's, I could only get loans... 1 1/2 years of school resulted in $44,000 in loans. That isn't right. |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 91 days Last activity: 89 days |
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Originally posted by Elara Man, that really hits close to home. It was especially difficult for me because my father owns his own business. |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| What was ridiculous was that they don't seem to take into account things like... oh... where you live when determining if family can pay for your school. My parents could help with my books, but that was it... because yeah, my dad made $40k a year, but we lived in Los Angeles and there were four of us... yeah, I'm the only one in school but it doesn't mean I'm the only one with expenses! People need to eat, cars break down, and then there was the nearly $5/gallon gas at the time. | |||
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 87 days Last activity: 76 days |
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| Same deal here. In a way though I like that I've basically supported myself, but not even having that option with my family does seem a little wrong. Financial struggles will probably be my biggest concern with this election. I'll never forget talking to one of my friends mother a few years back, how in the 80's she was working part time, living on her own, and going to school. No way in heck could you do that today, unless you luck out with some $20+ an hour part time gig and the cost of living isn't much in your area or something. The government just continues to pull funding from schools and education as the years go by, from what I hear? I'm not one that is big on goofy conspiracies or anything, but I can't help but feel that this is weirdly intentional in a lot of ways, that 2% doesn't want us to be educated. | |||
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| Considering the fact that I've been completely out of touch with American politics for the last two and a half weeks, I'm not entirely up on everything that's been going on in the madhouse.
Frankly, I've been rather undecided this whole time, but I know I'm definitely not voting Trump. If Biden does indeed decide to run, I may throw in with him. |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Well, Scott Walker has dropped out as well. I'm surprised that some of the candidates that have been polling at like 0-1% are still going, to be honest. I think they are waiting for Trump to finally fall and hoping that will give them a chance, or for enough of the others to drop that the debates will stop doing this ridiculous "kids table" early debate.
Side note: I know the Republican field is huge... but this split debate thing is just wrong and insulting. |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 633 days Last activity: 442 days |
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| At least the Dem debate was quite civilized. | |||
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Though how sad is it that they concluded the debate by highlighting that they actually debated issues instead of just insulting each other. What has become of our political process? | |||
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| So if you didn't get to see it on Friday night, Rachel Maddow of MSNBC did a forum with the Democratic candidates. Each got 40 minutes and I thought it was really interesting. O'Malley did much better in this kind of format to be honest, though I don't think he really delivered any glancing blows.
I kinda wish we could see something similar for the Republican candidates since Rachel was a great host for this type of forum... but with so many candidates on that side, I don't think they would have enough time. Maybe once they get under ten candidates and start taking this seriously? In other news... Ben Carson seems to be living in a fantasy land where the ancient pyramids of Egypt were built by Joseph as grain silos and Carson attended West Point. The lying about going to such a prestigious academy is bad enough, and then thinking it is no big deal that he lied (after trying to say he never said it). But the history thing... oh my gods. Just... just NO! |
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Lord Vulkas Mormonus Vile High Xeodent of Xeomerica. Since: 10-29-04 From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 94 days |
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| Well, in all fairness, we don't CONCLUSIVELY know why the pyramids were built, but I would like to think that the clever Joseph I grew up reading about was just a little more efficient than that. Plus, he only would have had about ten years to do it, and those thinks took way longer to make, haha.
Seriously though, I can't stand any of the democratic candidates, but I don't like anything from any of the republicans either. It's... pretty rough. On a side note though, that last republican debate. The moderators were pretty horrifyingly bad. |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 99 days Last activity: 99 days |
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| I didn't even watch the last one because it wasn't even a debate. I mean, they are complaining about having to answer tough questions and they want to be President?
I just... I can't even.... |
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