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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt          Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4559 days Last activity: 4553 days |
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| Yep, I'm talking about voilent video games. This monday will embark "Judgement Day" for gamers for the sale of Violent Videogames. Why should you be concerned? Because it's a dumb law that is seeing the light of day and should not be here in the first place.
What does the law state? A win for California would separate video games from music, movies, books and all other forms of entertainment in the United States. While music, movies or books that are considered sexually obscene are illegal for everyone in the U.S., only certain types of non-obscene sexual content can be made illegal for minors on a state-by-state basis (states can and do make it a crime to sell dirty magazines to kids, for example). Meaning games like God of War, Call of Duty, Gears of War, etc will be wiped off the face of the planet; depending on your state that is, and will be harder to sell for developers who do stuff like this for a living. Also meaning that the Government is telling YOU, yes YOU, how you should be spending your spare time as a Gamer. In moments like these I like to link to Pen and Teller, who did an amazing segment on Violent videogames. Part 2/3 is also linked in the video. Highly recommended watching. (Last edited by Bitmap on 06-25-11 07:19 AM) |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 92 days |
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| I love violent videogames. I love ripping out the entrails of my simulated enemy, whether human, alien or zombie.
I don't get along with my father. In fact, we're practically enemies. One night, he got drunk and annoying and I gave him a black eye. I felt sick to my stomach, not because I hurt my father (he deserved it), but because I was provoked into doing something truly violent. It was seriously the most troubled I felt in a long time. I've been in fights before when I was a teenager, but I would usually be the one who got hurt because I would pull my punches out of fear of harming someone else, even in spite of what they would do to me. ...and cases like mine are completely overlooked. Take one or two examples of violent events that may or may not be attributed to video games out of the billions of gamers on the planet and call it good. Definitely sounds legit, doesn't it? If it were, there would be many more school shootings worldwide. End bullying, not entertainment. |
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Yasu Posting Pig  Since: 10-12-06 Since last post: 4792 days Last activity: 4784 days |
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| I have to agree Nelrith. If you look at most of the kids that are involved in school shooting you will see that they where the ones picked on buy the bullies of there school but no people dont talk about that. I mean look at the little boy from the P&T show after shootin the real gun he broke down cryin. | |||
Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator  Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 90 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| I've seen that Pen and Teller episode, since Yasu mentions the kid shooting a gun and crying, I remember that part along with some old guy that was bad mouthing shooting games or something when he was a big time hunter or something like that and owned tons of guns. Hilarious.
Anyways, I wouldn't worry too much about this right now. The videogame market is toppling the movie industry and others off and on thesedays and is a huge force, especially in the US. So I just can't see them winning this in any way or for anything to really change. Activision and EA's biggest blockbusters are almost always guaranteed to be M-rated games, I'm sure there's a huge force against this. A similar thing has been going on with anime lately with some new law that might go into effect eventually, but it's also something I don't think will be a huge deal in the end. But it's hilarious that both this, and this videogame case here... are fucking stupid. As you guys said, end bullying, bad parenting, real crimes and murders, and other things like that before worrying about entertainment for crying out loud. And the fairness (this also goes for the current anime situation) is completely lopsided, violent or suggestive games/anime might be banned or moved to other shelves, whereas violent or obscene novels and other things like that are still totally fine. Because that makes sense right? Tokyo Governor Ishihara is so anti anime or any kind of media depicting mature themes or whatnot, yet he is very infamous for writing some very controversial novels several years ago that were among the first in Japan or something to depict very graphic sex, rape, incest, violence, and everything. But that's okay right? He's all good, I mean he's only the guy that said the recent earthquakes in Japan were "Divine Punishment" and consistently bashes the new generations of Japan. The guy got elected for a 4th term at 80's year old or something, only because the majority of Japan are old people and sound dumb. No offense. Also I don't think some people seem to understand that crippling entertainment industries is only going to break the economy even more. Good job. Both our systems are completely fucked. Their should be an age limit to be in office for a max to be like, 50 years old or something. I'm so sick of these old farts pushing ideals that don't coincide with our society of today, a society barely any of them can even grasp or understand and did not grow up in, so they shouldn't have these kind of ridiculous rights telling us what we can and cannot do when it should be the younger adults or middle aged people leading us. How many times have we heard stories against videogames from old people or newscasters that don't even play games? GTFO. /rant |
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Yasu Posting Pig Since: 10-12-06 Since last post: 4792 days Last activity: 4784 days |
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| I have to agree. I know my mom was that way when i was growing up. yet she would never sit down and play any of the video games with us. But my dad would sit down and take turns with me and my brother playin the sega. | |||
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Astrophel Fear will kill your mind and steal your love as sure as anything; Fear will rob you blind and make you numb to others suffering  Since: 10-03-04 From: Azul Lux Orbital, Kirin Beta Since last post: 2482 days Last activity: 1333 days |
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Edit: Disregard the below post as the bitter, cynical ramblings of someone who failed to RTFA. They're too lazy and/or scared to address the real problem, so they hit any new media they can. Now combine this with how many stupid old people see any technology newer than their old rusted truck as an instrument of Satan, and you'll see why video games are being targetted so much. The unfortunate part is that Supreme Court justices can't be voted out like politicians can, as a very large number (perhasp the majority) of gamers are of legal age to vote. Perhaps that's why I haven't heard this BS from any politicians lately. (Last edited by Astrophel on 06-28-11 11:25 PM) |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable  Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 102 days |
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| Well, based on transcripts that True posted on facebook it seems that most of the Justices think this case is rather stupid. Let us hope that keeps up. | |||
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 90 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| Good and Chev's also absolutely right about the average gamers age, I think it's even mostly somewhere in between 30-40. | |||
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 102 days |
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| I know!
Honestly, there is already a rating system. Instead of trying to make up a law that challenges the First Amendment, why don't they work on enforcing the fucking rating system? |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4559 days Last activity: 4553 days |
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| Kinda reminds me on a really funny story I had about this subject. I'm sure most of you heard it before; for the sake of posting I'm doing it again.
I was about maybe...12 years old. Only system I owned was a computer and a Sega Saturn. Well one day I was playing Command and Conquer and while doing so my mother was folding clothes in my room. Well, this mission was on my television screen: Before watching. Picture a mother who really knows nothing about videogames or even violent movies / music in general. Oh she flipped her shit. Terrorist group wanting to attack America, said man commanding you realistically (During it's time) getting shot in the head, and then some man comes in and basically promotes me for watching the whole thing happening. Well later on that day my father comes home and asks me if I thought it was real. My reply was of course "No" and pretty much resumed gaming. I still tell her about that story to this day. We both kinda find it hilarious. |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 92 days |
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I still love that story!  |
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True Flight The One Since: 08-21-04 Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 102 days |
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| Justice Ginsburg is thinking that this whole thing is a waste of time... | |||
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Xeoman Ball and Chain Trooper Administrator Since: 08-14-04 From: 255 Since last post: 90 days Last activity: 79 days |
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| Haha, wow.
Also heard the Supreme Court votes was 7-2 so we won. |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 92 days |
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| Woo~! Go First Amendment!
E: ...Does the Second Amendment apply here as well? Right to bear virtual arms? E2: Lookie what I found! (Last edited by Nelrith on 06-27-11 04:11 PM) |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 636 days Last activity: 445 days |
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| I'm conflicted. I love Leland Yee. He's backed so many student journalists and championed our First Amendment rights, and honestly I don't think minors should be allowed to buy certain kinds of games without parents. I don't see that as harming First Amendment rights of the game makers.
At the same time, were the law to be upheld it could chip away at the rights of artists, and the law Yee wrote was pretty much distorted when it was put into effect. And being a comic book fan (and comic books have undergone their own ridiculous degree of Senate hearings regarding their content), it would appear I should stand in solidarity with the video gamers. Yep, conflicted. Fine. Parents... the ball is completely in your court now. If you complain about your kid playing some game about skull-fucking some old lady they shot in the face with a steam-powered lasergun before taking a radioactive shit in the eye socket, that's YOUR problem. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4559 days Last activity: 4553 days |
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Originally posted by Nelrith Yeah I can't even read that file. What do I need in order to read it? |
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Belial Bazu Since: 01-29-05 From: New Zealand Since last post: 4367 days Last activity: 3981 days |
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Originally posted by BitmapOriginally posted by Nelrith It's just a PDF... 
This is great news! The amount of people who rely on the government to protect their children amazes me. I was watching the news, and this was an argument they had up. If you don't want your child playing violent video games, then don't purchase them... The government shouldn't have to do the parents' job for them. *shrugs* (Last edited by Belial on 06-28-11 12:06 AM) |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 92 days |
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Originally posted by Rogue Game of the Year every year. |
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Bitmap #1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt Since: 09-05-04 From: His Laughin' Place Since last post: 4559 days Last activity: 4553 days |
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Originally posted by Belial Well I can't read it. Thanks for helping~! |
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Cteno Super Shotgun Moderator Since: 01-11-05 Since last post: 94 days Last activity: 92 days |
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Originally posted by BitmapOriginally posted by Belial I Googled "what reads pdf files?" and I got this. I knew the answer already, but sheesh. (Last edited by Nelrith on 06-28-11 12:43 AM) |
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