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In your own opinion, do you feel this is an example of hypocrisy?
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No.
 
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Rogue
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Posted on 12-23-05 03:05 PM Link | Quote
NOTE: This is meant for OPINIONS, not flaming of any religion, sexual preference, other users for their opinions, etc. You have been warned.

As quoted in the Qur'an. Men and women believers must dress modestly.

Originally posted by Qur'an
"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts and not to display their adornment except that which ordinarily appears thereof and to draw their headcovers over their chests and not to display their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands fathers, their sons."


This has been interpreted by most Muslims to mean that women must cover up everything but their face and hands. Anything that can be deemed attractive, by other men than a woman's husband, must be covered.

For the most part, bare shoulders, bare arms, bare midriff, bare legs, bare ankles, anything that leans towards "immoral clothing or implied immoral suggestions of life" is wrong, hence why Americans piss off many in the Muslim community.

Now with that said... Here's a photo of a Muslim girl:




(Last edited by Rogue on 12-26-05 05:44 PM)
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Posted on 12-23-05 03:17 PM Link | Quote
^.^ Wow. This pisses me off.

So, this is just like the godamn Crusades. Preaching something while living another. Their hypocrisy fills my gut with disgust. That is one thing that pisses me off.

Grr....
geeogree

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Posted on 12-23-05 05:19 PM Link | Quote
I see nothing wrong with principle idea behind it

attempting to not seduce men that you aren't married to is a good thing. I don't think women should cover everything but hands and face but I definitely think girls/women don't wear enough clothing. It's just not that sexy.

I also agree that it is hyporisy that the daughter of a top Al Queida member is allowed to dress like that. But of course, the ideas of Al Queida aren't exactly the most positive or sensical of ideas.
Jity Horo

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Posted on 12-23-05 05:32 PM Link | Quote
Yea thats definately hypocrisy. She needs to cover up anyway *shudder*. Sheer Ugliness.

Anyhoo, since shes like the top members realtive she's more then likely allowed to skimp over a few rules.
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Beezo








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Posted on 12-23-05 05:44 PM Link | Quote
wait a damn minute rogue.... dont even try to play that shit.... niece... meaning one of his brother, or sister's daughter right? osama is seven of 50 in his family.... there's no damn way for him to fucking control his other 49 siblings, let alone his hundreds and hundreds of nieces or nephews... DON'T TWIST THE FACTS!
Rogue
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Posted on 12-23-05 05:50 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by avatar of law
wait a damn minute rogue.... dont even try to play that shit.... niece... meaning one of his brother, or sister's daughter right? osama is seven of 50 in his family.... there's no damn way for him to fucking control his other 49 siblings, let alone his hundreds and hundreds of nieces or nephews... DON'T TWIST THE FACTS!

I'm not twisting anything, and I'm not taking a stance.

I'm posing a question.

Take it down a notch, cowboy.

Whether or not they even know each other, she's still of the Muslim faith.
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Beezo








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Posted on 12-23-05 05:56 PM Link | Quote
regardless, you're presenting us with a question, and even showed a picture of "Osama bin Laden"'s family member, who supposibly is supposed to be a super muslim because of his powers within the network, yet you do not even mention the fact that he has hundreds and hundreds of nieces. that's totally twisting the facts.

a reasonable person would not have guessed, or even imagened that Laden would even have 50 brothers and sisters, yet alone hundreds of nieces, therefore, the format of the question is horribly prejudicial. if you however had a picture of his wife or daughter, i wouldnt say anything, but this is really bad =/

what you're doing is essentially going to a fat camp for kids, and saying "i've randomly went to a childen's camp, and have found out that all of america's children are overweight" and not even revealing that you were at a fat camp. it's totally prejudicial towards the facts.

but then again, i'll give you the benifit of the doubt and say that you didnt know he had 49 other sibblings in his family


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Rogue
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Posted on 12-23-05 06:04 PM Link | Quote
OK, forget the fact that she's a relative of his. Take that little factoid away.

Picky picky picky...

What do we still have?

She is Muslim. Her faith states that smidgen of a quote you seem to be neglecting.

How is she dressed?

Well... how is she dressed?

Acceptable?

I personally don't care. If she wanted to run around naked, that's her affair, not mine.

Incidentally, Muslims are very tight-knit and fraternal, even for such large numbers.
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Posted on 12-23-05 07:22 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by geeogree
I also agree that it is hyporisy that the daughter of a top Al Queida member is allowed to dress like that. But of course, the ideas of Al Queida aren't exactly the most positive or sensical of ideas.


That would be because she's an American citizen and says that she wants nothing to do with Al Queda.
geeogree

Ninji








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Posted on 12-23-05 11:24 PM Link | Quote
Hobo: wow thanks.... you needed to quote me specifically for that?

my feeling on the subject is that if you claim to be part of a religion, then follow the religion the way it is supposed to be...
Shuyin

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Posted on 12-24-05 04:59 PM Link | Quote
I wish I could take back my vote. I voted without doing any research or reading the rest of the posts. I looked her up and she is indeed a US citizen. In fact she will be (or already did) be posing in GQ.

I didn't find anything citing her religous beliefs so I can't really touch on that. But even if she is/was of Muslim faith and dressed like that. Go her. She lives in America, she should be able to enjoy the freedom to wear whatever the hell she wants.
Astrophel
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Posted on 12-24-05 09:43 PM Link | Quote
I'm not sure what to think... gut instinct tells me to go with geeogree's "if you claim to be part of a religion, then follow the religion the way it is supposed to be". But... what if she doesn't believe that all aspects of the religion are correct? If you believe that something about your religion is wrong, who do you choose to be true to? Yourself or your religion?
geeogree

Ninji








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Posted on 12-24-05 10:48 PM Link | Quote
well, I guess if people want to treat religion that way they can...

picking and choosing what rules they like and which ones they don't.

I'm sticking with either you're all Muslim or you're not. There are probably other denominations that are less strict and that may be how she sees herself. There is no way to define that girl just by using Muslim. There are enough variations in every religion that allow for some moderate variability in interpretation of religous texts.
Kaijin Surohm
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Posted on 12-24-05 11:45 PM Link | Quote
I don't find the girl to be Hypocritical.

Take me for example: Christianity.

Go to Chruch, be a good person, dress appropriately, worship god in anyway you can, donate to church, etc, etc, etc.

I don't go to church, I'm an asshole whenever I want, I dress however I want, i gave up prayer, I find church donations to be a priests scam.

Yes I'm still Christian? intresting.
(Before you start flaming me, read this next part)

Thats an example of what I'm trying to say: Just because you have a religion, that dosn't mean it's a strict ruleset for your life. It's something you can believe in.

For example (again) : I believe there WAS an Adam and Eve, but I also believe in the story of Lilith. Adam's First wife.

Christiantiy preaches that Adam and Eve were the first. I don't believe that, lol.

Anyway, getting past all that rambling, my point in general is, just because you have a Religion, dosn't mean that religion is the rulebook to your life.
geeogree

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Posted on 12-25-05 03:19 PM Link | Quote
I guess that's the difference between just believing in something and actually living it

you can claim to be Christian all you want but that doesn't make you one. I could claim to be anything I wanted to but my actions speak louder than my words in determining whether I am actually what I claim to be.
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Posted on 12-25-05 09:38 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kaijin Surohm


Thats an example of what I'm trying to say: Just because you have a religion, that dosn't mean it's a strict ruleset for your life. It's something you can believe in.

just because you have a Religion, dosn't mean that religion is the rulebook to your life.


i guess that's your interpretation to the meaning of life, but in practical means, a religion IS a set of rules to life. The reason why it’s called a “Religion” instead of “Conveniences” is because of the sets of rules you MUST follow. You’re not supposed to pick and choose what you’d like, and still call yourself whatever it is the religion you supposibly believe in.

The definition of hypocrisy is the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

Unless you’ve changed that definition, you are a hypocrite. you can however say that you practice christinity, but you cannot say that you are a real christian.

like, if you have never read any law books, or gone to any law classes or anything in law for that matter, you cannot claim that you are a lawyer just because you like lawyers and their lifestyle.

you believe there is a united states constitution, but you also believe in the articles of confederation. the articles of confederation is our first constitution.

united states history teaches that the united states constitution is first, i dont believe that.

SAME EXAMPLE! just cause you know a few things here and there, yet completly ignore the core principles like going to law school (church), being an honest lawyer (good person), dress appropriately, ect... does not mean you are a lawyer.

i'm not trying to be mean or put you down or anything. i'm just pointing out the fact that you said it's not hypocrisy, yet that's exactly what the word means. i know exactly what you are trying to say, but i cant help it if your interpretation is not right in praticial means. it is right in how religion should, or could be, but it isnt how it's praticed in real life.


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Posted on 12-26-05 02:10 PM Link | Quote
Okay, I want to get information of several things here before I vote.

First of all, what evidence do we actually have of here religion? Her uncle is a leader of the religions terroist group? That's Bin laden, she is not him.

So, what evidence is there that she is, in fact, a muslim?

Also, I agree, she should cover up quiet a bit, but I'm just like that.
geeogree

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Posted on 12-27-05 09:13 PM Link | Quote
well, we did already kind of go over a lot of that. We realize that Bin Laden may not have a lot of influence and it is possible that she isn't muslim and we have sort of moved on in the discussion.

And yeah, I do agree.... regardless of religion, she could use more clothing
Astrophel
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Posted on 12-28-05 08:21 AM Link | Quote
I think most can agree on that last statement.

But I also think some people are entirely too quick to judge based on what religion you think she is. And on the note of religion, doesn't it say something in the bible about not judging others..? The exact quote escapes me, it's been a while, but you know what I'm getting at, don't you?
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Posted on 12-28-05 11:56 AM Link | Quote
Judge not lest ye be judged - ???

I belive Jesus said that, though I'm not sure. Also, the only reason I can remember that qoute is because I listen to Metallica.
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