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BBQMissile

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Posted on 04-11-07 12:56 AM Link | Quote
Read the title.
Discuss.
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Posted on 04-11-07 01:11 AM Link | Quote
No shit.

It's only racist when it's a white guy, usually.
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Posted on 04-11-07 03:57 AM Link | Quote
What about if minorities and women received the same wages as white males? O=
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Posted on 04-12-07 01:49 PM Link | Quote
Then the world would be a better place. However it wouldn't stop shit like this from happening. But yes, I agree... well, there might be a bit of an issue over the "ho" part; but not nearly as much.
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Posted on 04-12-07 06:41 PM Link | Quote
Was he that Radio Talk show host that called the Women's New York basketball team "Nappy Headed Hoes"?

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Posted on 04-12-07 06:52 PM Link | Quote
Yeah.

The world is too serious. I hate it.
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Posted on 04-12-07 07:26 PM Link | Quote
And now he's fired. It's ridiculous.

I don't really see how his remarks were racist though. There are both white and black girls on the team (unless he was referring to only those on the court at the time the remarks were made).
Logos

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Posted on 04-13-07 02:22 AM Link | Quote
I think this is more of an issue of position in society. Blacks and Hispanics and women, even, are effectively treated as second-class citizens. There isn't too much effort for reform and changing this, but society still frowns upon kicking someone--or even some peoples--who are already down.

To provide an alternative non-race example, consider a classroom. As many of you may know, there are these things called tests. And oftentimes, there is a good part of the class who bomb these tests. It doesn't sound rude at all for one "bomber" to joke to another how awfully the other did on the test, with the mutual understanding that neither of them is in a better position. But if someone aces the test, and then does the same to someone who flunked it, it might easily be construed as quite offensive, because of the discrepancy between the two parties.

Sound plausible?
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Posted on 04-13-07 03:16 AM Link | Quote
damn those white people for being better than black folk
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Since: 10-29-04
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Posted on 04-13-07 09:17 AM Link | Quote
Logos, I'm afraid that your arguement indicates that the blacks, hispanics, and possibly women are less than white men. Sounds a bit prejudice to me. xD.

Anyway, in all seriousness, I think that blacks could be holding themselves down by always yelling out prejudice whenever someone does something negative towards a black man. Granted, I have no problem with black people, I know some really cool ones, and they can be awesome.

What I hate is when they are prejudice. When they talk about how they should kill all of the white people, then start yelling prejudice at us when we so much as sneeze in their direction, you know something is going wrong here. It's called hypocrisy.

I think that as long as they think of themselves as lower, think that we, the evil white men devils are going to hate them, they limit themselves. When they think like that, they hold resentment towards we who are white, and as such, make themselves less likely to succeed.

I just think that they are the ones at fault for their problems, not us who are white. Plenty of intelligent black people have managed to be born in the ghetto, or homeless, and pulled themselves up to being multimillionairs. It's not luck, it's not just that they had some people helping them, it was skill, intelligence, and actually caring enough to advance in this world.

Heh, I must have come off as really prejudice with this post, but again, I know of plenty of black people who are awesome, and I don't have a problem with them in general, just with what they do.
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Posted on 04-13-07 08:39 PM Link | Quote
I was just pointing out that in modern-day America, there is still a great deal of social and economic inequality between white men and minorities and women. Women and minorities still earn less for the same job, and have lower paying, lower ranked jobs in general. Stop pretending that everyone's equal, Vulkar.
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Posted on 04-18-07 05:13 PM Link | Quote
If he was black/mexican/peurto rican/asian/any other minority he would have no trouble. If he was a woman, he would have no trouble. Same reason black people can call each other "nigga" if that person had "gone through" the same hardships the others had, he/she is allowed to be as racist as they want. It's also socially alright for minorities to insult white people with racist remarks, I think it is hypocritical and full of bullshittery. I disapprove of what he said, but I disapprove even more of the consequences he is receiving for using his freedom of speech.
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Posted on 04-18-07 05:52 PM Link | Quote
Logos, a lot of the time what you're saying is true. But agan, I still think that these blacks are half the problem. They're going around making prejudice statements, and saying they should kill all the white people, where we can't look at hem.

I'm going to use your analogy for this.

Originally posted by Logos
To provide an alternative non-race example, consider a classroom. As many of you may know, there are these things called tests. And oftentimes, there is a good part of the class who bomb these tests. It doesn't sound rude at all for one "bomber" to joke to another how awfully the other did on the test, with the mutual understanding that neither of them is in a better position. But if someone aces the test, and then does the same to someone who flunked it, it might easily be construed as quite offensive, because of the discrepancy between the two parties.


Now, I agree that the guy he did really good probably shouldn't make fun of those who failed, but should those who failed be able to make fun of the white guy for doing well?

Metaphorically, that's exactly what's happening now.
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Posted on 04-18-07 06:30 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Vulkar


What I hate is when they are prejudice. When they talk about how they should kill all of the white people, then start yelling prejudice at us when we so much as sneeze in their direction, you know something is going wrong here. It's called hypocrisy.

Heh, I must have come off as really prejudice with this post, but again, I know of plenty of black people who are awesome, and I don't have a problem with them in general, just with what they do.



I was about to start a debate about this, but Vulkar pretty much nailed this on the head (Plus I was afraid people would get the wrong idea about me or something, but I dont have a problem with blacks or other races )

I say, if you are racist, go ahead and be so. I dont care, but dont go pointing fingers at me if I get that person fired. I can find the minute details of wrong in people and use that was my weapon pretty much

But I think its unfair that Imus was fired. Hell, theres Hal Turner, a host of a White radio talk show, and he pretty much does alot of racist comments, and he respects hard working citizens in America who arent White, but yet he dosent get fired, so what the hell?
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Posted on 04-18-07 10:17 PM Link | Quote
I simply dislike how any minority gets a sort of lee way when it comes to racist remarks, yet the "majority" that isn't really even the majority anymore gets no lee way because we're "The Man"
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Posted on 04-21-07 10:26 PM Link | Quote
A friend of mine made a rant that is perfect for this debate:


If any of you actually read my webcomic (which is rather unlikely...) then you should notice that I am getting more and more annoyed by racism, and the mentality behind it.

The silly thing? People like the KKK or the Black Panthers don't really bother me!

It's strange. If you make it your lifestyle, it's fine... However, if you let it AFFECT your lifestyle, it drives me up the wall...

Let's take a different approach to this.

Let's say that your favorite "not-white" comedian says the N-Word on national television. What happens?

Nothing?

Nice.

Now let's say that your favorite WHITE comedian says the N-Word, (out of seething anger, and this being an outburst after no history of any racial remarks, whatsoever, and he only did it to be able to say the one thing that would most piss off the man who'd been pissing him off all night long, and in fact was saying racist things about him in the first place,) in a bar, with nobody around to hear it, except for another black person, and somebody with a camera phone.

HO-SNAP!

Or better yet, let's say that a white man says a racial line, that isn't even the dreaded N-Word, and he intended it as a joke. What happens?

He loses his job? Dude!

But if a guy, on national television, hell, on CSpan, says, calmly, in clear conscience, that he believes that... well...



What happens? Nothing at all? A few (4) angry little videos on youtube, calling him the "black Hitler" and that's all? Why hasn't he lost his job? Why hasn't he been universally hated by everyone, the way Kramer and Itus have?

Oh...

I get it...

It's because he's black, isn't it?

I guess it just doesn't make sense to call a black man a racist.

Which leads me to my next question.

Why not?

I think that it's syntax. A "racist" is a white person, just as a "nigger" is a black person, or all the other racial slurs that elude me because I honestly don't know which ones apply to which ethnic groups.

"Racist" is a racial slur! That's why you almost never hear anybody who isn't of Caucasian decent being called "a Racist". Not the adjective. "Racist" is still a word that can be used to describe people places and things, but when you turn it into a noun, it's a slur.

I'm going to, from now on, treat it as such. People don't tend to call me racist that often, (except in passing when I refuse to give my Latino friend the answers to the math test I'm taking, and even then it's only a joke)

...But the next time I do, and the person calling me a racist ISN'T white... I'm going to sue his ass for all he's got (which probably wont be much, because he's mexican...) (and I dare you to call me racist for that... I dare you...)

White people? We finally have our word that only we can say. High five.



(Last edited by FX on 04-22-07 01:27 AM)
geeogree

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Posted on 04-21-07 11:20 PM Link | Quote
wow.... calling for extermination of white people.

I realize this is probably not a mainstream view of "blacks" but come on.... that viewpoint is more dangerous than "nappy headed ho's".
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 04-24-07 03:58 AM Link | Quote
.... *speachless*

How was he not arrested for that? If I went out and said "we need to kill the black people" my ass would be in jail SO fast! Seriously, the whole country needs racial sensitivity training... or to give me a mallet so I can pound into people's heads that there is only one race!
Logos

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Posted on 04-28-07 08:59 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ziff
Now, for 10 pages of "waaaa, I'm white".
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Posted on 04-30-07 04:37 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Elara
Seriously, the whole country needs racial sensitivity training... or to give me a mallet so I can pound into people's heads that there is only one race!


This was viewed on Gaia as well. It went like this.

My friends and I got permission from several helpers to start a "White Only" guild. It pretty much spammed me on hate PM's.

But then again you have guilds that have "The Asians only" guild and "Females only" type of shit. Why exactly are whites in the wrong here? Its because we are tolerated as being the most racist race of all? Why? Well lets point this out on history.

Famous presidents owned slaves, several years ago there were "White only" shops, and last, there was the KKK.

Who did this? White people. Some people cant take shit out of their head and get with the times. I guarantee you anything if no race found out about their previous experiences, there would prolly be no racism in this planet.

Hating someone because of the color of their skin or whatnot is down right retarded.

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