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Posted on 11-20-06 06:42 PM, in Re-institute the draft? Link
Originally posted by Vulkar
I stongly disagree, for many reasons.

First off, I don't want to go into the army, and if this would push into affect, I'd be joining the service in three years.

Second off, a required draft would contradict a lot of people's religious beliefs. My religion actually requires people to go on a mission to tell about our church from 19-21. Military service would get in the way of that.

Then there are the Amish, who's problem's with technology would require them to not do so, along with thier seperation from government. And then there are a lot of other people. Pacifists, people who would never want to go to war no matter the cost.

I honestly can't approve of this. An all volunteer army gives a better image for America. Also, we have one of the the strongest(though not largest) armies in the world. Unless we go to war against China or Israel, we're in the lead.

And for all those wondering, yes we can win against Iran and North Korea with our current army. We still outnumber them, and considering Iran's tendencies to blow itself up for minimal affect, we're ahead by a considerable amount.

Volunteer meaning lower-middle class army, of course. Which was what I was trying to say. It would be an incentive to vote as well, if a war affects you, then you'll be forced think about it, and protest and whatnot.
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Posted on 11-20-06 10:26 PM, in OJ Simpson To Discuss How He Would Have Committed the Murders Link
Where's your free press now? I haven't seen anyone note anything wrong with anything, just saying bad bad bad. I don't see how this would be any worse than any other book or TV show.
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Posted on 11-21-06 05:40 PM, in Voting Link
Originally posted by Vulkar
For a while now then I have noticed several things. One of these things are that too many people vote. Everyone is supposed to vote you say? That may not be a good thing...

I have also noticed that around 60% of people that vote in elections are either #1 idiots, or #2, vote only because of party and don't know what the person they vote for plans to do. Another large portion are illegal immigrants that shouldn't even be here, much less choose how we run.

I'm being unfair you say? Everyone should get a chance to vote? I agree, everyone should get a chance, just not the same type of chance as they get now. If someone votes and they have no idea about who they are voting for other than what's on CNN each evening, or what some friend heard on the radio one morning, how much right do they have to vote?

CNN is biased towards democrats, talk radio is also usually biased towards republicans. How much can you really learn when you only hear news stories that make a living out of reporting only the good or bad things about people. I can't see these people as any more than the first layer for gaining knowledge.

So what's the solution? I for one believe that people should be required to know certain things. For example, the last presidency election. If someone had no idea that Kerry was both pro and against the war in Iraq, then they should know. If they had no idea what position George Bush takes on most issues, they should know.

But how would we have them know? Simple, we don't. We let them learn about it on their own. All the government needs to do is test them. It should be required that each time they try to apply to vote, they have to fill out a form about what they know about each person, and submit it. If they pass with a B or above, they get to vote. C or below, and they don't.

Also, illegals voting? Come on...you know that's wrong.

Anyway, thoughts about this idea?


I firmly disagree with the resolution put forth that "knowledgeable" people should only be allowed to vote.

Contention 1: The argument in itself is flawed, because my opponent does not define what "knowledgeable" means in the context of voting. Though they state that "knowledgeable" means passing a test, they neglect to note that much of politics is not in fact empirical data, it is highly subjective, and particular to each and every individual. One cannot "measure" knowledge with any sort of "ruler," it is not as simple as seeing if someone knows how to add or subtract.

(As a sidenote, I must note that the reasons behind Kerry's support are not "flip-flop" but a response to additions to a bill, what is often called "pork-belly," calling for additional spending he disapproved of. And about the pro-con stance on the war, wasn't there a lapse of a few years or certain happenings that Kerry would change his views based on? Vulkar himself wouldn't qualify to be one of these knowlegeable voters by his own criterion, though I persay wouldn't think so.)

Contention 2: Assuming that my opponent only wishes to define "knowledgeable" on that which can be clearly defined as positive data, such as knowledge of party associations, history and such, I pose a question: what is the significance of such knowledge? Who is to say that voting for a party member because they are consistant with one's beliefs is wrong? Clearly, the values of people vary immensely, and thus their reasons for voting for someone often vary as well.

Contention 3: When my opponent states that illegal immigrants voting is wrong, they fail to support their contention with any sort of evidence, nor do they state why in fact it is wrong. Furthermore, they do not provide any basis on which it is "wrong." When my oppenent states that "I don't want my future in the hands of a homeless drug dealer who has been in jail twice and has a large criminal record," I'm inclined to think that they are in fact saying that everyone should follow his/her idea of "wrong." This of course would be completely illogical. "Wrong" much like "knowledge" is not something that is consistant from person to person. My idea of what is wrong may be different from yours: "wrong" is normative and subjective, as opposed to positive and objective.


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Posted on 11-23-06 12:00 AM, in Brielle Nicole Link
It sounds like some sort of very expensive, yet possibly dairy based foodstuff.
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Posted on 11-23-06 12:03 AM, in Hooray, life sucks! Link
News update! The good news first: if I do in-fact get into college, I will have enough credits to skip freshman year. Bad news is my health is acting up, so close to application time. Just thought I'd let everyone know, as you've all been so helpful.
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Posted on 11-23-06 03:30 AM, in Brielle Nicole Link
Originally posted by Xeios
It also sounds like a name a movie star would have. kind of sophisticated and intellectual, overall I like the name.


The first sentence contradicts the second, doesn't it? Movie star and intellectual? Anyways, congratulations on your new niece, Katana.
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Posted on 11-23-06 04:08 AM, in Voting Link
Originally posted by Vulkar
Contention one: Knowledgeable would be what the person they are voting for takes on certain political issues. Kerry wants to tax the rich more? The voters should know. Kerry won three purple hearts? It doesn't matter, that has nothing to do with his politics. What the voter should know isn't history, only what position the person they are voting for takes. If A politician was once a mass murderer from Russia, then assuming his political ideas were good, I wouldn't care. History would not be on the test, only ideas on current events.

That's nonsense. If a serial killer told one they wouldn't kill a person, their ethos would be diminished compared to the average citizen(I wouldn't really believe the serial killer much either, but that's not the point). Likewise, if the Dalai Lama said he wouldn't kill a person, most would believe him a lot more than the average citizen saying so. Ethos matters a lot, especially in politics.

And knowledge isn't really subjective.

I refuse to agree with your definition because it is too subjective for the purpose of this debate. Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines knowledge as "the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association." To reiterate, everyone doesn't share the same experience or association that is necessary for knowledge, and therefore their interpretation of knowledge is not the same.
I'm just saying they have to know what position the guy is taking on a certain issue. I couldn't really care less about what else they know.

Contention two: There are many liberal republicans or conservative democracts.
That's democrats, if you wanted to know, and this has no relevance in the context of this paragraph.
The knowledge matters because if they don't know it, then they have no idea what they are voting for. They could easily, without knowing it, vote for a guy who believes that video games should be illegal. On a side note, there are many politicians that believe that, so it does apply.
So? You don't impact this point at all.

Contention three: That wasn't my main point, I was just noting it, and I'm too lazy to argue immigration without it having a seperate thread.

You drop this point, fair enough.
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Posted on 11-23-06 04:18 AM, in OBJECTION!!!!!!!! Link
Ah ha, "shining finger."
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Posted on 11-23-06 04:46 PM, in Wii, 360, or PS3 Link
Originally posted by Thexare Blademoon
Better graphics and processing power aren't worth an extra three hundred dollars.

... actually, in my opinion, they don't count for anything - it's all about the games, and I'm not particularly interested in anything that's PS3 exclusive. Nor am I interested in a lot of Xbox 360 games, but the part of my mind that tells me not to waste money is a little more comfortable paying (how much was it for a 360? ) for five or six games now and probably more later than it is with paying six hundred for one game at best now and maybe more later (but the PLaystation 2 didn't get many exclusives I really was interested in, so I'm not holding my breath)


I feel like I'm repeating myself... maybe I post on too many boards.

But you forget, PS3 is liquid commodity, and Wii is not. If one doesn't like it, they can sell it for massive profit.
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Posted on 11-23-06 04:49 PM, in Which XGF member are you? Link
Might I ask, which Xeogaming forum member am I?
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Posted on 11-23-06 05:42 PM, in Police brutality at UCLA (and all over for that matter) Link
If were really a terrorist, there's a good chance that adding electricity might just cause massive damage. Nope, I think this was just a hate crime.
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Posted on 11-23-06 05:44 PM, in Re-institute the draft? Link
Originally posted by avatar of law
Originally posted by Belial
I'm probably the only person here who likes the idea of a draft. Yeah, I would go to war if I was drafted. Do you have any idea how good that experience would be?
It would give everyone a sense of honor and loyalty, which is something most people in this day and age don't know of.


yeah, i'm sure 18 yr old seniors in HS would love to not be able to graduate because they were drafted. then coming home from war, not having a diploma, and making minimum wage their entire life.
or just about anyone would love to halt their entire life and be gone for like 4 years having their world turned upsidedown. like their g/f straying, or boss hires someone else, child's first b-day, ect...

Honor and loyalty is the archaic word for bullshit.
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Posted on 11-23-06 08:49 PM, in Re-institute the draft? Link
Originally posted by avatar of law
Originally posted by Belial
I'm probably the only person here who likes the idea of a draft. Yeah, I would go to war if I was drafted. Do you have any idea how good that experience would be?
It would give everyone a sense of honor and loyalty, which is something most people in this day and age don't know of.


yeah, i'm sure 18 yr old seniors in HS would love to not be able to graduate because they were drafted. then coming home from war, not having a diploma, and making minimum wage their entire life.
or just about anyone would love to halt their entire life and be gone for like 4 years having their world turned upsidedown. like their g/f straying, or boss hires someone else, child's first b-day, ect...

Definitely. The ones that aren't sent can be used for food rations and possibly mittens. People might think of--[insert-deity] forbid--taking more interest in government policy. Can't have that happening, that's just "wrong." People might care more about people being killing overseas if it's them doing the killing, or dying for that matter. It is a shame I can't be part of this noble plan because of the medical requirements of the military.
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Originally posted by Logos

Honor and loyalty is the archaic word for bullshit.


Who are you to make that judgment? Those are two concepts I was raised on. And are large parts of who I am, and what I believe.

Honor, and loyalty are things that many people lack. And should be re-taught.

So instead of just dismissing something you obviously don't understand, try learning about it.

And one more thing, honor and loyalty are two separate words.

Having said too much, not wanting to derail this thread any more, you could make a new thread, or PM me or something if you want to debate that topic, it's nontopical here.

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Posted on 11-24-06 12:14 AM, in Police brutality at UCLA (and all over for that matter) Link
One might wonder why the police would randomly attack people then, it's not in good form. And if targeting minorities gives them a bad name, just maybe they could try not targeting minorities or being corrupt, or other such activities that malign them?
The L.A. Times says "Police officers on six UC campuses carry Taser guns, but UCLA appears to be alone in expressly allowing officers to stun not only violent suspects but those who are passively resisting their orders." Though "Police have said it is long-standing practice for students to show their ID cards after 11 p.m.," they just don't like certain people up there, it seems.
It figures, and there's no way I'm going there. If I wanted to go to a university that randomly attacks minorities in a manner that is not at all discriminating then I'd go to...nevermind. And just because the sole victim happens to be minority, I suppose that doesn't mean anything, no. They wouldn't use tasers at Berkley though, since the students there would sue for massive lawsuits.
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Posted on 11-24-06 12:15 AM, in THANKSGIVING!!! Link
I threw up repeatedly, coughed up blood, and I am happy to say that I'm just in pain right now.
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Posted on 11-24-06 12:43 AM, in THANKSGIVING!!! Link
Can't even make up their own morbid comments now, huh?
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Posted on 11-24-06 03:47 PM, in Re-institute the draft? Link
Originally posted by Vulkar
You know, there is one mild problem with your logic Logos, you know what that is?

The soldiers don't choose to go to war. Nor do the civillians for that matter. It is a matter for congress, and honestly, just because they went to war once, doesn't mean they will vote against a war. I know of people who once went to war, and they are still for the war in Iraq.

But maybe the soldiers might vote for the guy who would send them to war, right? Wrong. Most of the soldiers voted for George Bush, who sent them to war. What's more, they also voted when he was reelected, and they knew he was sending them to war.

So, to be honest, the political affect that you desire would not happen. And, as I already stated, with our current military, we could still take out Iran and North Korea. Also, we would have a lot more countries on our side against North Korea. Even China has a problem with them at the moment.


First of all, support your points with valid evidence, please. What you call knowing a lot of people, is nothing in the massive populace that makes up the entire country.
Second of all, citizens choose who represents them, one can vote for their senator, president, and so on. And your last point is not clearly stated, and doesn't seem to be relevant to the topic at hand.
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Posted on 11-24-06 03:50 PM, in THANKSGIVING!!! Link
It's just another day of the year in which I can't go to school and have to stay home.
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Posted on 11-24-06 03:59 PM, in What be in your wallet/purse? Link
What's in your wallet? An overused meme, of course!
"allen wrenches, gerbil feeders, toilet seats, electric heaters
Trash compactors, juice extractor, shower rods and water meters
Walkie-talkies, copper wires safety goggles, radial tires
BB pellets, rubber mallets, fans and dehumidifiers
Picture hangers, paper cutters, waffle irons, window shutters
Paint removers, window louvres, masking tape and plastic gutters
Kitchen faucets, folding tables, weather stripping, jumper cables
Hooks and tackle, grout and spackle, power foggers, spoons and ladles
Pesticides for fumigation, high-performance lubrication
Metal roofing, water proofing, multi-purpose insulation
Air compressors, brass connectors, wrecking chisels, smoke detectors
Tire guages, hamster cages, thermostats and bug deflectors
Trailer hitch demagnetizers, automatic circumcisers
Tennis rackets, angle brackets, Duracells and Energizers
Soffit panels, circuit breakers, vacuum cleaners, coffee makers
Calculators, generators, matching salt and pepper shakers."
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Posted on 11-24-06 09:22 PM, in Yo Xeios! Link
Originally posted by Mask de Smith


I say you should celebrate by rounding up the fellas and watching porn.

Or do whatever, doesn't matter.


I hear they call it "Happy Birthday" these days. Go figure.
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