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| Xeogaming Forums - General Chat - Police brutality at UCLA (and all over for that matter) |
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Elara Divine Mamkute Dark Elf Goddess Chaos Imp Penguins Fan Ms. Invisable          Since: 08-15-04 From: Ferelden Since last post: 126 days Last activity: 126 days |
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| I don't know... depends on if they grabbed anyone else without an ID that they escorted out. According to the report of the girlfriend she just left, no mention of being escorted out.
But still, more than once was wrong. |
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GuardianOni Shaman  Since: 09-07-04 From: The dark path Since last post: 5867 days Last activity: 5325 days |
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| Well if she just left, and didn't make a scene, why would she be needed to be escorted out?
If he did what was told to him, and didn't make a scene, I think he could have left under his own power. Hell, when I saw this video on the news yesterday, they conveniently didn't play the part where he was shouting at the police (no visual on the action). And then they did a little bit painting the history of one of the officers in a rather bad light. But what do you expect from a society that teaches cops are bad? |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 660 days Last activity: 468 days |
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| I think it's a shame that these cops are in some sense being excused because our society believes cops are bad already.
Where the hell did this come from? A few bad cops here and there who made a few bad judgments. So does that make the whole lot bad? Of course not. So by saying, "Well, everyone thinks cops are bad anyway, so what these guys did doesn't matter." Yes, it does. Because someone thinks you're a monster, doesn't mean you should prove them right. I'm tired of these lowered expectations that we have for our leaders and people of authority. I'm not speaking ill of police, hell I know many of them who take every measure they can to still be civilized in the face of adversity and with difficult people by building rapports with them and taking care of tough situations with a cool head about them. These people are heroes. Granted this student made a VERY stupid decision by making a scene and screaming his head off, but to dismiss the Tazer'ing because it's so-called typical behavior is scary. It's these forms of apathy that truly frighten me. Reminds me of this girl railing about being raped on another forum and warning people to take precautions and people responded back with posts like, "Well at least you got sex out of it" and "Haha. Buttsecks" (though it turned out the initial post wasn't completely honest, the reactions were still sickening). I honestly don't see either side in the right here and if we just continue this idea that this world is all about hate, racism, and police brutality, then we're all losing. EDIT: And just to add an even sicker note to this... someone just posted this on LiveJournal a couple moments ago: (Last edited by Rogue on 11-23-06 08:26 PM) |
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GuardianOni Shaman Since: 09-07-04 From: The dark path Since last post: 5867 days Last activity: 5325 days |
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Originally posted by Rogue Rouge, I have not once said that what they did was right. Nor, even in my post looking at the other side of the argument, excused them. (But I did say I was loosing sympathy) In fact I said in my first post that I wanted them to stop as well. There are torture methods similar to what happened. And lets face it, they were inducing pain to get him to comply with their demands. And if this is considered 'typical' police behavior, either we need to look at our view of cops and where it comes from, or we need to stop those who are making it typical. All I was saying in my last post is that most people seem ready to jump on the "bad cop" band wagon. Hell I still don't know for sure what actually happened. So I honestly can't take either side. (He should have done what they said, and they didn't need to tazer him as many times as they did.) And I wasn't trying to defend the cops (or any cop) by saying they were persecuted, or put down so much. What I was saying was that it is wrong to prejudge the situation only on a small number of facts. And everyone seems ready to prejudge the cops in the wrong. But again, I know as much as anyone else on this board. And that is still not the whole story. So if it comes out that the student was provoked into escalating the confrontation, and the cops were in the wrong, I'll be smiling at the thought of them getting legal action taken against them. And I agree with you, wide spread apathy, and large accusations of racism, and hate is killing us as a whole, and we all lose. And a side note, there is a special place in hell for rapist, and I would love to see them get their as fast as possible. And people who think that rape is funny should be beaten. *Edit: I was in the prosses of responding when you put that edit up. That is sick. I couldn't watch the whole thing, it's just wrong. I am disgusted. I don't know what else to say. (Last edited by GuardianOni on 11-23-06 07:32 PM) |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 660 days Last activity: 468 days |
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| My last post was more of a general statement which was also meant to include the public's opinion of cops and much of the media's portrayal of them. My fault.
In the end I was pretty much agreeing with you in a round about sort of way. (Last edited by Rogue on 11-23-06 08:20 PM) |
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Logos Again? Banned  Since: 07-24-06 Since last post: 6130 days Last activity: 6221 days |
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| If were really a terrorist, there's a good chance that adding electricity might just cause massive damage. Nope, I think this was just a hate crime. | |||
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GuardianOni Shaman Since: 09-07-04 From: The dark path Since last post: 5867 days Last activity: 5325 days |
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| First, sorry Rouge. Been in a running heated arugment for the last two days (the context of which I'll not divuldge) And When I read your post it sounded like you were makeing some sort of attack. Sorry. But I agree with you.
And second, Logos... wtf? Your last post made no sense. Where are you pulling terrorist from? And what makes it a hate crime? |
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Rogue If you're reading this... You are the Resistance Since: 08-17-04 Since last post: 660 days Last activity: 468 days |
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| It was my original wording that probably threw you and I'm sorry for that.
While I hate that a lot of things are blamed on the media, the whole emphasis on the student's race came from many news outlets. There might be something to it in that one might ask why they decided to randomly check him and not someone else. But we don't know that they didn't check any whites, blacks, what have you, so the point is moot. |
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Logos Again? Banned Since: 07-24-06 Since last post: 6130 days Last activity: 6221 days |
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| One might wonder why the police would randomly attack people then, it's not in good form. And if targeting minorities gives them a bad name, just maybe they could try not targeting minorities or being corrupt, or other such activities that malign them?
The L.A. Times says "Police officers on six UC campuses carry Taser guns, but UCLA appears to be alone in expressly allowing officers to stun not only violent suspects but those who are passively resisting their orders." Though "Police have said it is long-standing practice for students to show their ID cards after 11 p.m.," they just don't like certain people up there, it seems. It figures, and there's no way I'm going there. If I wanted to go to a university that randomly attacks minorities in a manner that is not at all discriminating then I'd go to...nevermind. And just because the sole victim happens to be minority, I suppose that doesn't mean anything, no. They wouldn't use tasers at Berkley though, since the students there would sue for massive lawsuits. |
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