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Xeoman

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Posted on 08-31-05 09:15 PM Link
I learned XHTML today, in a few minutes!

But really, after reading up about it at w3schools, I wonder why it's even called "XHTML" and not just ... you guessed it, "HTML".

Half the things that you "should" do in XHTML, I've alread had a habbit of doing. Using the closing p tag, aligning tags correctly and matching them with there closing tags, and whatnot.

Yeah, people just thought fancy / nicely written HTML should be called XHTML?

Wasn't hard to learn XML either. But, XML isn't so pointless, although I wouldn't see myself ever needing to use it, I guess it would be easy to use for organized large websites based off simple markup languages.

CSS is the way to go though. Classes, styles, and everything, it seems to almost make XML and XHTML seem rather pointless.

I don't know, maybe a pointless topic here, but yeah, just wanted to get this out.

Really, if you know HTML fairly well, you may as well tell others you know XML and XHTML also, not much of a difference. Unless someone can explain and argue with me.


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Posted on 08-31-05 09:34 PM Link
Hey man, don't be doggin' on xHTML being pointless. I've heard many of the things my teacher has been telling me that xHTML is going to take over the internet and so on. =_= It's too much trouble for me to put a closing tag in my image tags.
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Posted on 08-31-05 09:35 PM Link
Well yeah, all it's sources suggest it's set to "replace" HTML in the next couple of years or whatever, but really, it's still just regular HTML ... just nicely written.
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Posted on 09-01-05 04:00 PM Link
Nicely written + new standarts is the point of it.

I, personnaly, use it as it's also intended to work in all browsers (when valid).

But there's no real difference, but when you get used to it, it doesn't bother you.
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Posted on 09-12-05 08:19 AM Link
I don't really see the point in XHTML either. It's like HTML, only you need a / in all the <br> tags. Also, why the X? People seem to think that an X in the name of something automatically makes it cool. For instance, someone could make a message board system where each page takes three hours to load, all posts must be entered backwards in Bulgarian, and anyone could hack it simply by clicking on the "CLICK HERE TO HACK THIS BOARD" link at the top of each page. But if it had a name like "Xaxerxifixubatax's X Board X of X-ness, Version X.X," people would think it was cool.

That said, having an X doesn't automatically make something lame, either. The name Xeogaming sounds kinda cool, as does Xerxes. (Although I'm not quite sure who Xerxes was, I think the name sounds cool for some reason)

Wow, this post got off-topic.

Anyway, I don't care much for XHTML. I still program in classic HTML with font tags and whatnot, even though it's technically obsolete.
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Posted on 03-10-06 03:41 AM Link
I still use HTML, but since I usually have to crank out pages faster and more effeciently, I've switched to xHTML. It just helps a lot faster, and since most browsers don't care if you group xHTML and HTML directly on the same web-document, I see no issue in using both. This is more a question of how well the programmer can handle change, how lazy you are, and what anal-retentive attachments you have.
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Posted on 03-10-06 12:23 PM Link
For some odd reason we got 3rd because of two things on our website.

1. A picture was in caps and did not show up
2. That same picture was not closed in the img tag.

man their picky.
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Posted on 03-10-06 12:53 PM Link
Erm, XHTML is more than just important. It's the new absolute standard.

If you're to learn HTML right now, You're wasting your time unless you're learning XHTML and CSS..

I'm so much of an XHTML/CSS freak I refuse .. I REFUSE to ever touch tables again..

I wish I had more time to dedicate to my web design and web development work..
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Posted on 03-10-06 02:11 PM Link
I don't see why people are always 'tables this' 'tables that'.

Srsly.
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Posted on 03-10-06 02:22 PM Link
Tables should only be used for tabular data, Never for a layout.
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Posted on 03-17-06 05:26 AM Link
The point of XHTML is to seperate content from the presentation, there should not be a style in the actual page, it should all be done in CSS. I good example is the CSS Zen Garden. It is the same piece of HTML, just with different stylesheets. And look at the differences it can be.
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Since: 08-20-04
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Posted on 03-17-06 06:23 AM Link
Got third in what? And why would it matter what we're ranked in? Does it matter that our layouts are stupid? Personally, I think we should be concentrating on the content of the layouts rather than the pretty pictures surrounding them.

Afraid of change? Come on, if xHTML is the next wave in web design, then adopt it, learn it, and move on. I'm sure if you thought the same of PHP, we wouldn't be posting on an ACMLM board clone. We'd be on one of those free Invision boards or something else. And, who would want that?

It's like going back a few years and asking if a graphical user interface is pointless when you can accomplish similar tasks via command line. Sure, it makes everything pretty and sometimes faster, but what benefits does a GUI hold over command line? Sound stupid? Yeah.
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Posted on 03-17-06 02:45 PM Link
Guys, I have no idea why I even made this thread in the first place and what the point of it was.

Seriously.

I have no idea why I posted this months ago.

But basically HTML should be thrown away, and XHTML should be a standard.

That's basically saying the opposite of what I said in the first post, but again ... I just read over that post and couldn't help but think "wtf?".


(Last edited by Xeomega on 03-17-06 05:45 PM)
Stitch

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Posted on 03-17-06 05:01 PM Link
Isn't it awesome when you do that? What better chance to argue a point than to argue that point with yourself on some board you maintain...

Yay!
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Posted on 03-17-06 05:02 PM Link
Originally posted by Zabuza
Isn't it awesome when you do that? What better chance to argue a point than to argue that point with yourself on some board you maintain...

Yay!



I'm assuming you're being sarcastic.

Believe me or not, I'm clueless about this thread.

I should close it.
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Posted on 03-18-06 04:23 PM Link
HTML is for the lazy people. The only thing that's so special about XHTML compared to HTML is that it's cleaned up a little more. There's really no difference at all except it makes you use new tags which are practically the same just have a little extra stuff added to them like the br and hr tags. It makes you close every tag and in the correct order too. It really isn't much different, just a cleaned up version of HTML. That's why the X is there. eXtensible HyperText Markup Language. It's just an extended version. I don't really use XHTML much unless I'm bored and feel like doing everything the proper way.
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Posted on 03-18-06 10:44 PM Link
Guess what? People that use XHTML with tables arn't using the real XHTML. XHTML has no tables. It uses DIV and SPAN tags.
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Posted on 03-19-06 07:02 AM Link
Originally posted by SyntaxLegend
Guess what? People that use XHTML with tables arn't using the real XHTML. XHTML has no tables. It uses DIV and SPAN tags.



False.

As long as it's considered valid, you can use it.
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Posted on 03-19-06 07:47 AM Link
That is XHTML 1.0 Transitional. It's there so people can still have tabular data and be valid, it's not real XHTML. XHTML 1.0 and XHTML 1.1 can not have tables. Because it is the real thing.
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Posted on 03-20-06 07:09 PM Link
Tables are just legacy these days. A sad reminder of the past.
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