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Posted on 04-03-07 03:45 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Vulkar
or be taught in classrooms no larger than four people.


Unfortunately that would cause public schools' costs to shoot up due to the immense work force that is suddenly needed to teach... :

Although your post did give me another point... If a student doesn't understand the homework, it requires them to go out of their way to find a teacher who can tell them what the homework requires from them. How many people do this? Not many...
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Posted on 04-04-07 12:03 AM Link | Quote
Personally, if it wasn't for homework, I daresay I might be in a decent college right now. But I don't care. I'm not bitter. There are more important things in life than getting admission into some bigwig college. However, this is not the point at hand, so I will not digress further.

For primary school, I went to a private Catholic school for both elementary and middle school. In elementary school, I used to do math at home through some John Hopkins program, and that was fun, I remember, although money problems ended that around middle school. I had homework, but it wasn't annoying or anything, although I got detention for finishing the math workbook. Middle school was bearable enough--again, private Catholic school--we had seven classes a day, and I remember that nevertheless, the only class that was really bad was Latin. The homework was brutal.

Then I moved to California, and my first public schooling since 2nd grade. Now I'm going to go out on a limb to say this, but regardless of the number courses and other nonsense, the math classes leading up to Calculus were awfully taught. Not only that, with my English 10 class as an exception, high school was depressingly alienating experience for me. There was too much busywork in my lower level courses.

I'm going to disagree with Chevy and say that the entire point of high school is not about coursework at all, but about feeling good about one's self. Why else is two years worth of coursework--less, if one considers that most of it is paced at a high school level for most students--stretched over the four years that we call high school? High school is supposed to be about fun, about making friends. There used to be a time when people took college courses in college.

Such an era has past. It is now the norm to take AP classes and summer college classes.

High school is now about fitting as much crap as one can onto one's resume for college. Stuffing nonsense such as: extracurricular activities and sports and leadership and community service and a myriad of honors classes and let's not forget, the funding the growth of Collegeboard.

Right now, one might be thinking, "Logos is a hypocrite," et cetera, et cetera, because I myself will be ending high school with 8 AP tests and 5 college classes. I'm not against people taking college classes or AP classes in high school, but in this day, it has become ridiculous. All of my upper level classes have a clear relation to my projected major, and most importantly, I'm had or am having fun with my current classes, which is a lot more than I'd give most of the people in my classes. But that's what matters to me. The classes I learnt the most in were taught well enough to not need a massive volume of homework. A lot of teachers lean too heavily on homework as a means of learning.

So with a bit of qualification, I'm going to side with Vulkar on this one. Although I think that even in larger classes, actions can be effected towards personalizing education. Besides, a 20 student class is tiny. The minimum here is 30.

[Edit] I forgot to mention that it's not necessarily hard to get a 4.x GPA even; these days, the "cook book" method is often the preferred one, and thought is a mere afterthought, and wholly unnecessary. And any idiot can get a high score on the SAT, it isn't a matter of talent.

And Cairoi, isn't it clear why a writer needs honors physics?


(Last edited by Logos on 04-04-07 05:04 AM)
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