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venomouslobster

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Posted on 12-30-06 04:34 AM Link | Quote
maybe by ten years but thats more to do with the fact she is a girl...but she will get much much larger
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Posted on 12-30-06 04:42 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Elara
I thought it varied by breed. I know generally they are long lived as a species, but isn't Jormangand going to far outlive Edmund?

And generally, yes they are very nice. You just have to handle them often... hence why Edmund is a cranky bastard that bites people.

That's funny, since one of my dogs is the same way, sadly he looks friendly so people don't expect it. How much living space do they need?
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Posted on 12-30-06 04:45 AM Link | Quote
Depends on the size of the snake. Generally a normal size tank would work (think average to large size aquarium). For a full grown python or boa however a much larger tank would be needed. As long as they have room to move around it's good.
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Posted on 12-30-06 04:49 AM Link | Quote
with boas and pythons it is best, at later stages, to just go ahead and build your own terrarium from plexi glass because the larger commercial models cost roughly about as much as sweden and a half
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Posted on 12-30-06 04:55 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by venomouslobster
with boas and pythons it is best, at later stages, to just go ahead and build your own terrarium from plexi glass because the larger commercial models cost roughly about as much as sweden and a half

At least there's no water like fish. How much does it cost to upkeep a snake or two?
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Posted on 12-30-06 04:58 AM Link | Quote
Initial cost is kinda high (snake, tank, accersories). After than a few bucks every week or so for a feeder rat and you're good until the heat lamp bulb goes out or the snake gets big enough to need a new tank.

Incidentally, things a snake tank needs:

Bedding (if you have a paper shredder this makes life much cheeper)
water dish (in many cases a larger one so the snake can curl up in it)
climbing branch
hiding place (no necessary but appriciated)
heat lamp


(Last edited by Elara on 12-30-06 08:00 AM)
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:00 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Elara
Initial cost is kinda high (snake, tank, accersories). After than a few bucks every week or so for a feeder rat and you're good until the snake gets big enough to need a new tank.

Are these rats alive? Wouldn't a snake not enjoy dead food?
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:02 AM Link | Quote
You can buy frozen ones, but usually snakes prefer live rodents... ours do. Of course, frozen ones are also insanely expensive for some reason.
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:06 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Elara
You can buy frozen ones, but usually snakes prefer live rodents... ours do. Of course, frozen ones are also insanely expensive for some reason.

Do they eat large cats? Since my cat wouldn't like being eaten.
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:09 AM Link | Quote
If the snake was large enough and the cat somehow got into the tank where the snake was being kept it could be a possibility. There are snakes that don't get that big though and would be safer with cats. Generally though it is not recommended to let cats or dogs near the snake. Ball pythons are very gentle and easy going... but if they see something as food....

Well, you get the picture.
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:11 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Elara
If the snake was large enough and the cat somehow got into the tank where the snake was being kept it could be a possibility. There are snakes that don't get that big though and would be safer with cats. Generally though it is not recommended to let cats or dogs near the snake. Ball pythons are very gentle and easy going... but if they see something as food....

Well, you get the picture.

How quickly do they move? And do they try eating inanimate objects, like shoes, rocks, et al.
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:25 AM Link | Quote
It has to be moving for them to go for it... it also has to smell of food (which is why you wash your hands after tossing the rodent to the snake in it's feeding box. Pockets got bit by his snake because he smelled like rat when he went to take her out).

How fast they normally move depends on the breed, but when striking to feed they move in a heartbeat. Usually you can see them sneaking up on the prey and then striking... other times they just sit their patiently and strike when the rat's guard is down. Winry (Pockets' ball python) strikes so fast she barely waits for the rat to land in the box.

They are constrictor snakes, so they bite and then coil in a fluid motion, crushing the prey. Generally if what they have attacked is larger than them you can pry them off before they kill it. Our friend Ken has a little python just bigger than Jormangand than nearly killed his cat (who thought it would be fun to break into the snake tank and hassle the poor thing). He was able to pry the snake off since the cat was larger than it, and the cat was fine... doesn't mess with the snake anymore though. That is the main problem, the cat/dog can kill the snake or the snake can kill them, which is why you keep them apart and make sure that they cannot come in contact with each other. If each animal is friendly it isn't so bad... Winry gets along with Pockets' cats since the cats do not act threateningly towards her.

If you don't want to worry about snakes attacking your other pets out of fear/confusion, get a smaller snake like a Garter, a Ringneck, or a Southeastern Crowned Snake.
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:32 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Elara
It has to be moving for them to go for it... it also has to smell of food (which is why you wash your hands after tossing the rodent to the snake in it's feeding box. Pockets got bit by his snake because he smelled like rat when he went to take her out).

How fast they normally move depends on the breed, but when striking to feed they move in a heartbeat. Usually you can see them sneaking up on the prey and then striking... other times they just sit their patiently and strike when the rat's guard is down. Winry (Pockets' ball python) strikes so fast she barely waits for the rat to land in the box.

They are constrictor snakes, so they bite and then coil in a fluid motion, crushing the prey. Generally if what they have attacked is larger than them you can pry them off before they kill it. Our friend Ken has a little python just bigger than Jormangand than nearly killed his cat (who thought it would be fun to break into the snake tank and hassle the poor thing). He was able to pry the snake off since the cat was larger than it, and the cat was fine... doesn't mess with the snake anymore though. That is the main problem, the cat/dog can kill the snake or the snake can kill them, which is why you keep them apart and make sure that they cannot come in contact with each other. If each animal is friendly it isn't so bad... Winry gets along with Pockets' cats since the cats do not act threateningly towards her.

If you don't want to worry about snakes attacking your other pets out of fear/confusion, get a smaller snake like a Garter, a Ringneck, or a Southeastern Crowned Snake.


Would you say there are snakes that just aren't friendly? Or is it a snake-to-snake thing?
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:41 AM Link | Quote
Usually it is by breed more than individual snakes. Kingsnakes are generally agressive, ball pythons are usually quite passive. However, if a snake is mistreated, continously fed in his actual tank instead of a seperate feeding box, or just not handled for a long time they can revert from a tame snake to a more wild state and become aggressive.
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:47 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Elara
Usually it is by breed more than individual snakes. Kingsnakes are generally agressive, ball pythons are usually quite passive. However, if a snake is mistreated, continously fed in his actual tank instead of a seperate feeding box, or just not handled for a long time they can revert from a tame snake to a more wild state and become aggressive.


They get mad if you feed them in a certain place? And about the paper shredder note, does that mean English Language and Compostition does in fact have a calling?
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:48 AM Link | Quote
YES ...rattlers and the other venomous ones aside, some snakes are just plain ornery.

what you are looking for in an affectionate snake is one that does a whole lot of lying around rather than one that activly stalks food. one of the reasons ball pythons are as docile as they are, is that their hunting method involves hiding along a game trail waiting for food to come to them...so basicly they sit around, also they get big enough to not have to worry about natural predetors too much. but others are active mousers and they can get testy as a defense mechanism. for instance pine snakes are known for hissing and shaking and puffing when they are perturbed (even though usually they dont actually strike, though they can) because they are trying to appear venomous.
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Posted on 12-30-06 05:58 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by venomouslobster
YES ...rattlers and the other venomous ones aside, some snakes are just plain ornery.

what you are looking for in an affectionate snake is one that does a whole lot of lying around rather than one that activly stalks food. one of the reasons ball pythons are as docile as they are, is that their hunting method involves hiding along a game trail waiting for food to come to them...so basicly they sit around, also they get big enough to not have to worry about natural predetors too much. but others are active mousers and they can get testy as a defense mechanism. for instance pine snakes are known for hissing and shaking and puffing when they are perturbed (even though usually they dont actually strike, though they can) because they are trying to appear venomous.

Isn't possession of most poisonous snakes downright illegal? What do you do when your snake is acting up? Just give it some space and time?
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Posted on 12-30-06 01:21 PM Link | Quote
Pets I have hmmm... *looks over at Mark* XD he's one! =P Looks at Metal and oh he's deffinetely one too!! XD

Just kidding

I have a cat named Luna, a rat terrier named Nibbles, and I have a bearded dragon named Coo. Over at my grams in Crestview, she has two horses that my sis looks after if Kris goes over there.
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Posted on 12-30-06 03:05 PM Link | Quote
Kidding? *looks sad*

Does this mean I don't get food anymore? *whimpers*
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Posted on 12-30-06 03:52 PM Link | Quote
aww bearded dragon!!!those guys are so adorable

venomous snakes can be de-fanged in certain states...but they are still assholes

and yes, they usually want to be left alone...but they will only act up in response to certain stimuli (food, enemy and anyone near their food) so it is usually pretty easy to tell whats bugging them

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