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Phan Phan
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Since: 06-19-06
From: Northern California

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Posted on 10-04-06 02:48 AM Link | Quote
I am just curious... Does anyone here speak any japanese?
I know a little bit and I am continuing to try to find a tutor.

If so... how did you learn? Is it as hard as I hear?
Déesse

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Since: 08-14-04
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Posted on 10-04-06 06:32 AM Link | Quote
VGFreak877 would be the best person to answer here I used to learn Japanese in year 2 at school, but after I moved to another state, the school there didn't teach other languages to primary school students.

I wouldn't mind learning it, but I'm just that swamped with other things at the moment I don't have the spare time. Isn't Japanese like the second hardest language after English, to learn?
Cairoi
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This is about me and my fucking beard.








Since: 08-29-04
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Posted on 10-04-06 06:56 AM Link | Quote
Either that or Mandarin Chinese.

Yeah, I don't know it either, all I know is English and French.

Je suis stupide, ma amie.
Jedi Master Desroth

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Since: 08-24-04
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Posted on 10-04-06 09:03 AM Link | Quote
Japanese isnt neccisarily that difficult to learn to speak it, but writing it... Holy lord is that the hardest part. 2 different sets of symbols (Hiragana and Katakana) and Kanji are used together to form what you are saying. I think of it like this: Kanji gives you the shape of what your saying, katakana names it, and Hiragana simplifys the kanji and gives full meaning to the sentence. I dont know if that is really true, but thats what I get when I started learning. By the way, as any Japanese student will probably tell you, learning kanji is the hardest part of the language. Some schools have you learn like 300 a week or so, but there are so many different kanji, you could never learn them all. Most japanese people only know 2,000 or slightly more, which is startling considering that it is their actual language.

Then you got kanji that shape and name at the same time, like on store fronts. It all gets confusing when you look at it trying to self teach yourself like I am, but I guess VG could help us out a little? Unless there is someone else learning japanese that would gladly help...
VGFreak877

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Since: 08-17-04
From: Hillsborough, New Hampshire

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Posted on 10-04-06 10:41 AM Link | Quote
I speak Japanese -- I have been studying it for the past 3 years. It is a lot of fun. I wouldn't know what to do if I wasn't doing that. Anyway, Japanese can be hard if you get frustrated easily. I, myself, don't think it's very hard. Yes, Desroth, you are right that the writing can be challenging at times, but with practice it will come second nature. I can write the kana symbols and probably the first two grades of kanji (1st grade -- 80 characters, 2nd grade -- 160 characters), but I know WAY more than that.

Kanji have what's called bushu, which means radical. This radical is like the "base" for the character. Thank goodness there is kanji though -- because if all the Japanese had was the two syllabary characters sets and since there are a lot of words that mean different things, it would be very hard to convey any kind of meaning. Again Desroth, you are right that the Japanese need to learn more than 2,000 kanji characters to get by in reading it (you will have to learn about this much if you want to read a Japanese newspaper without any problems). During the first 6 grades of ¬ŠwZ (elementary school), students will learn 1,006 characters. 80 in 1st grade, 160 in 2nd grade, 200 in 3rd grade, 200 in 4th grade, 185 in 5th grade, and 181 in 6th grade. Besides these characters in elementary school, there are 939 more characters to learn (as part of the total 1,945 everyday use kanji characters as determined by the Ministry of Education of Japan) in middle and high schools. And yeah, there is no way that you can absolutely learn EVERY single kanji in the language and there is really no need to.

Just like everything else, it takes practice and more practice. Making mistakes is also key to learning any language. I'm at a point now where I'm writing entire e-mails in Japanese -- it's very stimulating when you get to that level. Anyone can learn Japanese if they want to -- it's not limited to anyone. I hope to one day become a translator or interpreter. I will be going to Japan next year (hopefully) to spend one academic year to further my studies -- I can't wait.

So yeah, anyone that is learning Japanese, and has any questions, I'll do my best to answer them for you.
Shuyin

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Since: 08-19-04

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Posted on 10-04-06 06:50 PM Link | Quote
I'm in my 2nd semester of Japanese at college at the moment. The website http://genki.japantimes.co.jp/self/self.en.html is really a godsend to me when I need to study.
Katana

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Since: 08-15-04
From: Philadelphia, P.A.

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Posted on 10-04-06 09:01 PM Link | Quote
Hai! Watashi wa ichigakusei!

Merh, whatever. I just began my first semester in the beginning of September, so I know hardly anything, though I've gotten pretty good at reading and writing in Hiragana.

Oh...and yes! I find Japanese to be VERY difficult, and I do get frustrated easily, but that's okay. AT the same time that's what makes it fun and all the more rewarding when I accomplish something.

Oh, and Uncle VG rocks at Japanese. **nods**
Logos

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Posted on 10-04-06 09:40 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Déesse
VGFreak877 would be the best person to answer here I used to learn Japanese in year 2 at school, but after I moved to another state, the school there didn't teach other languages to primary school students.

I wouldn't mind learning it, but I'm just that swamped with other things at the moment I don't have the spare time. Isn't Japanese like the second hardest language after English, to learn?

English is easy, you must be talking about some other language.

Taking fourth year of Japanese in high school, the AP Japanese Class, but it's harder now, since the class isn't really taught except to about 4~8 people who don't know Japanese, although you'd expect there'd be more helpful people. =

borudu no naka de, VG san wa nihongo ga ichiban jyozu no hazu desu.


(Last edited by Logos on 10-05-06 12:44 AM)
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Posted on 10-04-06 10:30 PM Link | Quote
Russian is supposed to be VERY hard.

I dunno... *shrugs*

English is difficult, but it's taught in almost every school, everywhere.

I took one year of japanese, but forgot most of it.
VGFreak877

Glunk








Since: 08-17-04
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Posted on 10-04-06 10:53 PM Link | Quote
Logos, you think English is easy because you already know it and was taught to you as you were growing up. It's the same thing with every language. Learning another language other than your own can be tough. English can be very hard -- possibly more so than Japanese -- for people who are trying to learn it because it combines so many aspects from other languages. When a person is "on the outside, looking in", of course we're going to think that the other language is going to be pretty tough. Also, everyone else can be just as good if they practice, practice, and do more practice.

Shuyin, yes, those books are very useful -- I have Book One and the Intermediate Books.

Katana, it's ichinensei, but I'm glad you are putting the effort -- keep that going, ok? I agree with you wholeheartedly on it being that much more satisfying when you finally learn something.


(Last edited by VGFreak877 on 10-05-06 01:55 AM)
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Posted on 10-04-06 11:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cairoi
Either that or Mandarin Chinese.


Actually, Finnish is considered the hardest language to learn, because of its strange conjugations, word placement, etc.... I tried to learn it but gave up after "Paivää, Herra Virtäänen" (Hello Mr. Virtäänen).

That's followed by Mandarin Chinese, then some random African language. Japanese is surprisingly easy and all that I've learned has come from books and subbed animé.

Also, if you're looking into learning it, don't let the writing daunt you: all you have to do is drill yourself until you learn the hira/kata and Kanji comes slowly but easily. I can understand and read Japanese better than I can speak it, because all you need to know are some key words and the sentence will make sense (usually).

I have problems writing/speaking it because I'm a little lost with particle use and I need more practice.
Xeios

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Posted on 10-05-06 12:27 AM Link | Quote
I'm with Cairoi on this, I wish I knew Japanese or Mandarin Chinese as well.

Oui, tu es Stupide, Cairoi.

Je parle francais et anglais.

French + English.

I also want to learn German and Russian. I want to do a lot of shit, but don't have the drive to actually accomplish it.
Cteno

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Posted on 10-05-06 12:54 AM Link | Quote
Now German is definately the easiest language I've learned thus far. I had an outstanding teacher in high school who made it really easy to learn.

Jetzt, Deutsch ist mir Wurst! Es ist mir so leicht wie Englisch!
(German is nothing to me now! Its as easy as English!)

I had a lot of fun learning German and the person who got me interested in learning Japanese was in my German 2 class. Learning 2 languages at once was pretty fun
Kyoku kun

Phan Phan
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Since: 06-19-06
From: Northern California

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Posted on 10-05-06 01:24 AM Link | Quote
You guys are so lucky. I am currently trying to find a tutor and my parents are supporting me with everything. I am planning to go to japan as a FES this spring/summer or next year. I have heard that some FES progams you need to have a year of experinence... others I hear you need to be a FES some other contrey first.

Anywho, those of you that know/are learning it RULE and I am VERY jealous!
Logos

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Since: 07-24-06

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Posted on 10-05-06 01:42 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by VGFreak877
Logos, you think English is easy because you already know it and was taught to you as you were growing up. It's the same thing with every language. Learning another language other than your own can be tough. English can be very hard -- possibly more so than Japanese -- for people who are trying to learn it because it combines so many aspects from other languages. When a person is "on the outside, looking in", of course we're going to think that the other language is going to be pretty tough. Also, everyone else can be just as good if they practice, practice, and do more practice.

Shuyin, yes, those books are very useful -- I have Book One and the Intermediate Books.

Katana, it's ichinensei, but I'm glad you are putting the effort -- keep that going, ok? I agree with you wholeheartedly on it being that much more satisfying when you finally learn something.

I should have explained, but I meant that English is becoming the "norm" among languages, because it is all-consuming. Mainichi renshuu o shita, demo baka desu. Onaji no kimochi no hito wa watashi to natte kudasai. =


(Last edited by Logos on 10-05-06 04:51 AM)
Katana

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\"She said tonight...come on come on collide...see what I fire feels like..I bet its just like heaven.\"








Since: 08-15-04
From: Philadelphia, P.A.

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Posted on 10-07-06 07:23 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by VGFreak877
Katana, it's ichinensei, but I'm glad you are putting the effort -- keep that going, ok? I agree with you wholeheartedly on it being that much more satisfying when you finally learn something.


**huggles** I heart you, Uncle VG-Sama. XD

Speaking of Japanese...those little titles at the end...I think I finally figured out what they mean.

-San: Like Mr. Mrs. Ms.

-Sama: like a level above San. Someone highly respected or revered.

-Chan: Term of endearment. Mostly used for something small/cute/a girlfriend maybe? **shrugs** I suppose it could be used for boys, but I was told its used more for girls.

-Kun: Kinda like the male equivilent of Chan. Used for a boy one knows pretty well (Ie I would prolly use this at the end of Xeios' name), usually used among dude friends though.

And that is what my teacher taught us last class.
VGFreak877

Glunk








Since: 08-17-04
From: Hillsborough, New Hampshire

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Posted on 10-07-06 08:30 PM Link | Quote
Logos, here's your sentence:
Mainichi renshuu o shita, demo baka desu. Onaji no kimochi no hito wa watashi to natte kudasai.

Here's the translation: Every day I practiced, but I'm stupid. Same people of feelings are to become with me please.

Kat, that's very good. Just wanted to add something to those. There is one more to add to the list -- sensei. This a common suffix added to teachers and professors. You will also use this suffix for doctors.

I'm glad to see that this thread is going strong here, I hope to keep it going with questions and such.


(Last edited by VGFreak877 on 10-07-06 11:31 PM)
Katana

Dark Wizard
\"She said tonight...come on come on collide...see what I fire feels like..I bet its just like heaven.\"








Since: 08-15-04
From: Philadelphia, P.A.

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Posted on 10-07-06 08:36 PM Link | Quote
Squee! :p

Well here's a question...what does that one statement mean?

"Mainichi renshuu o shita, demo baka desu. Onaji no kimochi no hito wa watashi to natte kudasai."
Rauni









Since: 08-14-04

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Posted on 10-07-06 09:01 PM Link | Quote
Oh, oh! I know the answer to this one... Actually, VG already said it:

Originally posted by VG Rock At Japanese
Here's the translation: Every day I practiced, but I'm stupid. Same people of feelings are to become with me please.


I also studied Japanese but it is sightly hard for me to think about it. Although majority of time, I was guessing (badly) when I provided a Japanese text via PM to VG the other day.

Watashi wa nihongo wo penkyooshimasu.

I hope I got that right through.
VGFreak877

Glunk








Since: 08-17-04
From: Hillsborough, New Hampshire

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Posted on 10-07-06 09:09 PM Link | Quote
Actually, that translation is based on the word order of the sentence that was posted. That sentence has a few grammatical discrepancies -- without knowing what the writer was trying to convey, I did the best I could in translating it.

Seticus, the sentence is watashi wa nihongo wo BEnkyoushitemasu. You were very close.


(Last edited by VGFreak877 on 10-08-06 12:13 AM)
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