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Pockets

Werewolf
pockets








Since: 10-20-04

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Posted on 05-04-06 04:51 PM Link | Quote
Over two weeks ago I posted a thread saying I would possibly be gone for an
extended period of time. The reason being I was expecting to have been arrested
and tossed in jail by now honestly.

My girlfriend's dad decided a bit over two weeks ago that his 15 year old daughter
dating a 22 year old didn't sit well with him so he's turned her life upside down,
caused her no end of emotional torment by dragging her to six different police
stations to give her statement while he was pressing charges against me.

What those charges are, I don't really know. The police have not contacted me
even once. I have attempted ot initiate contact on a couple occasions thinking it
would be better if I went to the police myself instead of making them come get me,
I was told I would have to wait for a detective to contact me. So far, nothing.

So my question is what do people think of the situation? Questions, comments,
condemnations, advice? Any and all are welcome and will be debated endlessly.
Bitmap

#1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt








Since: 09-05-04
From: His Laughin' Place

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Posted on 05-04-06 05:02 PM Link | Quote
Well, I dont want to go into personal issues...But as long as you dont have sex with her its fine as long as its ok with the parent...at least thats how it goes here in GA...

Also, its your girlfriend's choice to decide who she wants to date or not. Unless shes strict-bound with her father. Then im pretty sure you might have hell to pay if you've ever been intimate with her...
Belial

Bazu








Since: 01-29-05
From: New Zealand

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Posted on 05-04-06 09:02 PM Link | Quote
Honestly... there's nothing the police can do. You haven't had sex or anything. her dad's a conservative who thinks you're a pedophile. Ten years from now, chances are, no one will even care about the difference in age. I have a friend who's 31. His girl friend is 22, I believe. No one has any issues with that, even if the reason is that she's no legal, yet.
Makura









Since: 01-22-05
From: The restaurant at the end of the universe....

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Posted on 05-04-06 11:11 PM Link | Quote
Okay so the "girlfriend" he's referring to is me. In California it's illegal to have sex with a minor doesn't matter how much you're in love. The debate is..do you think the law is fair?

Pockets and I have known eachother for a while, and it took us a very long time to figure out our relationship so it wasn't like we were just together out of the blue.
Shuyin

Baron of Radical








Since: 08-19-04

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Posted on 05-05-06 12:01 AM Link | Quote
I think the sex thing is perfectly fair. I don't believe a 15 year old's body is mature enough for sexual intercourse.

I know its just a year, but I believe 16 is okay. In Michigan 16 is the legal age for consent, and I agree with it.
Makura









Since: 01-22-05
From: The restaurant at the end of the universe....

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Posted on 05-05-06 12:06 AM Link | Quote
Mature enough physically? Wouldn't that depend on the person? Like you said it is just a year.
Pockets

Werewolf
pockets








Since: 10-20-04

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Posted on 05-05-06 04:37 AM Link | Quote
14 is the legal age in Hawaii and another state I forget which. The problem I have
with that is a 14 year old girls body, physically isn't matured enough for sexual
intercourse without greatly increasing future health risks.

at 15 to sixteen the average female has physically grown and matured enough for it
to not be a factor if I remember my highschool health class well enough. The
biggest problem is as Makura said, the law doesn't care how much in love we are,
neither does her dad. Though there are good things going for me in this case, the
bottom line is I'm going to be in some trouble. The only x factor is how much
trouble.

I personally don't find it all that fair. And that's not just cause I'm in the middle of it.
I've always felt that if a person is mature enough to intelligently make a decision,
they're mature enough to accept the consequences of that decision. Putting a legal
age limit on it seems... I'm not really sure. Ridiculous seems to strong, silly not
strong enough of a word. *shrugs* It just seems off kilter to me somehow.
Broken Dreams

Thief








Since: 05-29-05
From: California

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Posted on 05-05-06 02:23 PM Link | Quote
If you aks my, if my 15 year old daughter was with a 22 year old I would be hella pissed as well, that is way to old. You should of known better.
Pockets

Werewolf
pockets








Since: 10-20-04

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Posted on 05-05-06 02:41 PM Link | Quote
I like to think that if my fifteen year old daughter was with a 22 year old I would
have enough respect and trust in my daughter to believe she'll make an intelligent
decision. I'd sit and talk to her, find out how she really feels, ask questions, involve
myself but without putting a shit load of stress on her.

Admittedly I probably wouldn't be happy about it myself. But I would at least TRY
to understand.
Makura









Since: 01-22-05
From: The restaurant at the end of the universe....

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Posted on 05-05-06 03:23 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Broken Dreams
If you aks my, if my 15 year old daughter was with a 22 year old I would be hella pissed as well, that is way to old. You should of known better.



The truth is..we tried for a very long time to deny loving eachother...age being a BIG factor. It got to a point where we couldn't hangout around eachother anymore because of hiding how we really felt. Once the truth was told it was either be together or take the chance of losing eachother.

I'll admit. As far as sex goes we should have waited. I don't regret a single moment with Pockets, but because of the legal matter, we should have made a better decision. That doesn't change how unfair it may be that we aren't allowed to contact eachother until I'm 18.
Bitmap

#1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt








Since: 09-05-04
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Posted on 05-05-06 03:35 PM Link | Quote
Makura, why dont you just play stupid and deny everything you have done with pockets?

Really the police cant do anything to Pockets ( I dont think...im thinking Georgia Issues) unless YOU say something about it...

If you are the one pointing fingers, then yeah, pockets is pretty much screwed. But seen how you love and care for him, just deny everything that ever happend...unless...does this story get any deeper?
Makura









Since: 01-22-05
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Posted on 05-05-06 03:39 PM Link | Quote
Well...I know this is getting personal but I can't deny it. Because they can do tests and stuff medically. I tried..and am trying to protect him. The only way I can do that at this point is prove that it wasn't predatorial and that we built a healthy natural relationship.
Bitmap

#1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt








Since: 09-05-04
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Posted on 05-05-06 03:43 PM Link | Quote
I know this is going to sound stupid, but say it wasnt him, and "Pretend" that you cheated on Pockets....

Its going to sound like you are a whore...but at least youll be protecting pockets....

Makura









Since: 01-22-05
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Posted on 05-05-06 03:56 PM Link | Quote
I can't lie. Not only because it's too late to lie. Pockets met my mom..she knew it was him. And..I just can't lie anymore. Pockets and I both agree that it's merely a test for us both and we're gonna get through it.

I don't want to turn this into a sunset thread...I'm debating your advice (not in a rude way)
Pockets

Werewolf
pockets








Since: 10-20-04

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Posted on 05-05-06 04:38 PM Link | Quote
I agree with her. We're not going to be able to see or contact each other much
until she's 18. That really sucks. But it gives us both an opportunity to focus on
getting our lives in order and we've both got plenty to do to keep us occupied.

Makura has been bending over backwards to keep the trouble I'm going to get into
to a minimum. And from our situation I can imagine that things could probably go
fairly well. Much better than I have any right to hope really but there it is.
Bitmap

#1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt








Since: 09-05-04
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Posted on 05-05-06 05:20 PM Link | Quote
Well its good to see that you two are motivated for each other. As long as you keep that motivation, im sure when you meet each other once again at Makura's talking age, the love between you two will be stronger than ever before...

You know this is kinda like a Romeo and Juliet scene...cept instead of families, its the Age difference beliefs >.< ;;;
Belial

Bazu








Since: 01-29-05
From: New Zealand

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Posted on 05-05-06 08:53 PM Link | Quote
You guys were talking about a 15 years old's body not being -mature- enough? Technically, I could have had sex when I was 12. So long as a girl has hit puberty, she's phhysically mature enough. Mentally is another story. It's almost as if it's the parents were the ones who weren't emotionally ready.

All that there is left to say is that what's done is done, all you can do is wait.
Kaijin Surohm
Living the dream








Since: 08-16-04

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Posted on 05-06-06 03:20 AM Link | Quote
I can't believe half the SHIT I just read o.O

After reading over the story, and collecting the information from reading between the lines, I gather that you two went behind your parents backs on the entire issue.

Hell, who can blame you? You both knew the conequenses and what they would say, so you took the chance.

Now then, heres what completely bothers me: (multiple things)

Your pissed at the parents
Guess what? you have no right to be. You both went off and LIED to them, went behind their backs, and fooled around. I don't care what BS you try to feed anyone else, if you found out your 15 yo daughter was doing that, you'd be livied, and guess what, you'd have his ass thrown in jail right now. And don't feed me some bullshit telling me otherwise.

Maturity and Love?
Don't even sit there and say "Well I love her!" No. You don't.
And the rest of you, shut up for a minute while I get this started:
Heres how I know you DON'T: You both grew up knowing one another as Brother and Sister. Correct me if I'm wrong on that part.

Now then. What I believe is that you only see that as a Sibling connection for one another, but you both managed to screw that one up by confusing it with what it really is. It's not love, people, its a confused bond two people whom though of one another as Brother And Sister.

You sit there and tell me you LOVE her? Dude, you need help. If you seriously loved her, you would NOT of gone out and slept with her. SHE'S FIFTEEN! 15 Thats One-Five. Seven YEARS younger then you! Where the hell do you get your logic dude?! She's just a child.

No, you don't know what love is when yoru 15. Don't tell me that otherwise.

If you TRUELY loved her, you would have waited till you two were married, not gone off and lied to yoru parents and went at it by now. If you truely cared for her, sex is not an act you two would have gone and done.

I repeat, you would NOT of done that if you loved her. The religious people have a name for that:

LUST

See teh diffrence? LUST is when you wish to be intement with someone. LOVE is when you will give a life and limb for them and would do all you can to make sure they are mentally ready (After yoru MARRIED) to do such a thing.

Sure there's execptions, but 99% of them are after the legal age of 18

Now then, for my opinion?

Yes, you should be locked up. I just gave you my reasons.
Bitmap

#1 Enhancement Shaman US Ravenholdt








Since: 09-05-04
From: His Laughin' Place

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Posted on 05-06-06 10:17 AM Link | Quote
Just for the record

I agreed whole hardly with Kaijin on just about everything he said. But keep in mind that im not really against youse guys on what you did...thats not any of my buisness to spill out to you.

But, in my standards, I believe Sex is NOT the most important part of a relationship...And if people tell you that it helps build a relationship, that is total fucking bullshit...Thats Lust

Back with the subject on Pockets and Makura...This "Test" you two went through is something you shouldent Test about...you are asking the Law to come in between you two...really in all honesty, thats kinda retarded...However I do like the motivation that you stated saying "Were gonna get through this"...
Belial

Bazu








Since: 01-29-05
From: New Zealand

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Posted on 05-06-06 02:19 PM Link | Quote
I have to disagree with what has just been said. Sex has a lot to do with a relationship. It stimulates emotions you can't get doing something else. It is THE intimiate act of love. The two are joined in body and spirit at the same time. Don't think too literally about sex. You, apparently, have never experienced what it is like to have a full relationship.
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