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Cyro Xero

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Since: 02-23-05
From: Minnesota!!

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Posted on 11-17-05 04:30 AM Link | Quote
So, my fiance and I were just discussing pictures of each other when I suddenly, and don't think of me doing something like this, came up with the question:

If you're married to somebody and you fantasize (sexually) about a picture of him/her at a younger age during sex, as in when he or she was 17 or 18 years old (maybe even a tad lower), is it morally wrong?

When I thought about it I was immediately undecisive. Normally, thinking about someone at that age is a bit on the pedophile side. However, if it's your husband or wife that you're fantasizing about it raises the question: IS it wrong?
Astrophel
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Since: 10-03-04
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Posted on 11-17-05 04:36 AM Link | Quote
What goes on in your mind is not free to be judged by the Moral Police. It's your actions and words that should be. In other words, no.



By the way, before anyone tries mentioning this to make me look bad or something: By my logic, someone fantasizing about having sex with a child wouldn't be in the wrong as long as it was kept solely in his mind. Yeah, I'm aware of that part of my logic.
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Since: 11-02-05
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Posted on 11-17-05 06:19 AM Link | Quote
I have your senior picture with me where ever I go . I have to admit, I have used it to fantasize sexually . I don't think that make's me a pedophile . I would have ravaged you when you were 17 if given the chance . Don't you wish I had been the girl next door ; )
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This is about me and my fucking beard.








Since: 08-29-04
From: PA

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Posted on 11-17-05 04:51 PM Link | Quote
No silly, pedophilia is not a sickness. Sure it's illegal, but it's just a mental like. And 'sides, if you're gonna marry her, you are more than allowed to imagine about her. And Cyro...If you want, me and Tamarin can go beat up the Moral Police and fixer the rules.

Case in point, love is not bound by age, race, gender, or financial difficulties. Love is Love.

-The Cairoi
The Magical Being

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Since: 11-02-05
From: Wisconsin

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Posted on 11-17-05 07:40 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cairoi


Case in point, love is not bound by age, race, gender, or financial difficulties. Love is Love.

-The Cairoi


*claps* Noone could have written that better Cairoi .
Jin

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Since: 01-12-05
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Posted on 11-18-05 12:11 PM Link | Quote
Of course it isn't immoral.. I mean I think about young girls ALL THE TIME...

Wait. Nevermind.
Lord Vulkas Mormonus

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Since: 10-29-04
From: North Carolina, United States. World, Sol System, milky way

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Posted on 11-18-05 02:36 PM Link | Quote
I'm going to have to go for a yes on this one.

First of all, it's the way you so casually treat this. First of all, marriage is about love, and I hate to say it, but that is not love. You should only do, you should only think about sex if you are going to have children from it.

Second, you aren't married yet, so you can't get away with that one, if you were married, and not only engaged, then what you are doing would not be as bad, though it would still be imoral.

So, sex is not love, nor is love sex. One may lead to the other, but they are very different, very serious, and you should at least try not to think about that sort of thing.

And before you say that I cannot judge because of age, then neither can half the people here right now, who are not adults either.
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Since: 08-17-04

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Posted on 11-18-05 02:37 PM Link | Quote
I voted no, more for the reason that it's still your girl, so who cares? She's fine with it. ^_~
Evo

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Since: 08-16-04
From: Oregon

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Posted on 11-18-05 06:45 PM Link | Quote
"You should only do, you should only think about sex if you are going to have children from it. "

Vulkar, may I ask your opinion on sex while the female's already pregnant? I just don't understand your logic sometimes, I'm sorry.... :/

I voted no. I will always look back and remember my dearest Ryan when he heard our baby's heartbeat for the first time... he cried. I sometimes have flashbacks when I'm in bed with him of that one night... outside... under the stars; teh best night of sex ever, I'd think.

You're not invisioning a girl, a minor, you're invisioning your love as you first remember them, or before you remember them. I don't know. I get really turned on thinking about what Ryan did with his first girlfriend. THey didn't have sex, but I'll often immaging him eating her out or something. He was what... 16 then? and he's almost 20? O.O

It's your immagination about the one you love. That just shows your strength in your love. I'm sure the older version of your lover turns you on, but sometimes it's good to think about "her young, tight pussy" to be blunt. Sex can be kinky, and it doesn't matter what goes on in your mind. I'm sure she'll remember your dick when it wasn't all old and wrinkled every once in a while.

I'm sorry. I got carried away.... er...
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Since: 08-29-04
From: PA

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Posted on 11-18-05 10:52 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Vulkar
I'm going to have to go for a yes on this one.

First of all, it's the way you so casually treat this. First of all, marriage is about love, and I hate to say it, but that is not love. You should only do, you should only think about sex if you are going to have children from it.

Second, you aren't married yet, so you can't get away with that one, if you were married, and not only engaged, then what you are doing would not be as bad, though it would still be imoral.

So, sex is not love, nor is love sex. One may lead to the other, but they are very different, very serious, and you should at least try not to think about that sort of thing.

And before you say that I cannot judge because of age, then neither can half the people here right now, who are not adults either.


Look, I'm sorry Vulkar, but thou hast irked me, and shall see my counterpoint to thy point.

Casually treat this? ...Your views are you're own, but seeing as how sex is essential for human life to continue, I never saw the vulgarity or disdain associated with it. I mean, in France commercials nakedness is common. We are too censored with our view on nudity.

Because he's not married yet? Marriage is a human construct. In nature, there is no marriage. Before it was constructed, humans commited no marriage ritual. Marriage is just a legal way of showing your true dependency on other being through love or etc, though etc doesn't last very long.

Before marriage occurs, two people who become engaged have already shown each other their feelings for each other and consider themselves much closer. They have taken the leap already with their love, and thus it is not immoral in any way shape or form.

Also, how is thinking of one at a younger age wrong? In ancient human history, women were often impregnated almost as soon as they entered puberty. It is just nature to think of a person at a younger age. We often didn't live as long as we do.

And, Vulkar, age as I said, has nothing to do with love.

So says...

-The Cairoi
Evo

Red Super Koopa
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Since: 08-16-04
From: Oregon

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Posted on 11-19-05 04:28 AM Link | Quote
*Nods*

My fiance REALLY wants to get married. I do too. But there's this thing.

I want to have the most beautiful wedding ever. It's going to cost A LOT. Hence... we need to save. We know that we're meant for each other... our spirits are almost like one at times, it's scary. Marriage doesn't equal love, as it's been proven over and over again. Sex is good, and even better if it's with the one you love.
Jity Horo

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Since: 01-01-05

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Posted on 11-19-05 01:00 PM Link | Quote
Well put Cairoi.

I put no for the pure reason that as long as you aren't doing to actual(sp?) children there is no problem with it at all.
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Since: 08-14-04
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Posted on 11-19-05 10:38 PM Link | Quote
I've got to agree with almost everyone here on some parts.

Sex = I think if you're truly in love with someone, heck, even married, there is absolutely no problem to have sex, just to have sex (instead of doing it just to have children). Even though I have not had sex myself, yet, it just seems like it's a useful thing in many ways (of course, when two are truly bound).
- It's a good work out and works like every muscle in your body.
- It's an intimate time with your love and can probably bring the two even closer.
- It surely can be one of the best stress relievers.

So really, when treated with care and honesty, sex can be healthy to put it simply.

... coming from someone who's a virgin.


(Last edited by QuickMan on 11-20-05 01:42 AM)
Cyro Xero

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Since: 02-23-05
From: Minnesota!!

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Posted on 11-19-05 10:48 PM Link | Quote
Okay okay, let me get one thing straight:

I never said I did this. But that's not to say it won't happen.

Hence, what I typed in my first post "So, my fiance and I were just discussing pictures of each other when I suddenly, and don't think of me doing something like this, came up with the question:"
And for the purpose of this topic, yes we are talking about when your love as minor, and assuming you've never met him/her until you both were well into adulthood.

I have mixed feeling on this. On one hand, just having that sexual thought would, in a way, be enough for somebody to assume that you'd probably think about other youngins' like that as well, and often at that. It would almost be like that saying, "Once a 'perv', always a 'perv'". Well in this case, "Once a fantasizer...."

But, I think that if I ever did catch myself fantasizing about my fiance when she was young, I don't know if I'd stop myself. Not just because I'm a male, but it simply may make me that much more attracted to her, and possibly me wanting to right away "spend some time with her". Ahem. You could also look at it sharing a feeling with each if you both sometimes do it, bringing you closer to one another.

So I have pedophile on one side, and just straight up love on the other. I guess when it all comes down to it, my guilt might eventually wane and let my mind do as it "pleases". No pun intended.


(Last edited by Cyro Xero on 11-20-05 01:49 AM)
Evo

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Since: 08-16-04
From: Oregon

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Posted on 11-20-05 01:15 AM Link | Quote
I think about half of us understood that you have not yet done this.

Like I was saying, Xero, I don't see anything wrog with it. And as I also mentioned, and you mentioned it would make you much more attracted to her. My fiance told me stuff he did when he was younger, (I mean, like 10) and I found it really attractive... I dunno. I know I have a lot of weird sexual opinions, so it may not be best to ask me.

Xeo "- It surely can be one of the best stress relievers. "

It's also a natural way to relieve pain, for those that didn't know. Heh. So the girls' common excuse of "I have a headache" is actually not valid. The only bad thing about this is that once you're done having sex, the pain's back.
geeogree

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Since: 10-19-04

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Posted on 11-20-05 01:22 AM Link | Quote
I'm going to have to agree with Tamarin on this one

everyone has thoughts about things they would like to do, or be, or accomplish...

some of these thoughts just happen because they happen.... some days you want to kill someone, or yourself... you see an attractive person and consider having sex with them.... and the list goes on...

however, acting on some of the thoughts you have can be bad



I will stray slightly and say that dwelling on thoughts of sexual acts on really young children, or killing/hurting other people or yourself are definitely warning signs of a problem.... but I doubt that is the case for too many people here
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