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Cyro Xero

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Since: 02-23-05
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Posted on 10-27-05 01:25 PM Link
And I'll have to rethink the way I fight with my robot character. I thought it would be interesting, but maybe I should have known better. And as for the argument, I sorry I couldn't have been around to help come to terms. It seems that you guys may settle this yourselves, so I'll stay out of it for now. However, should you need me to step in....
Rauni









Since: 08-14-04

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Posted on 10-29-05 12:13 AM Link
Originally posted by Shuyin
the position of both body and feet from which an athlete starts or operates. Operates. In other words, moving.

I'm sorry, Shuyin. I looked up on a dictorary and found out that it is to preform a function. Since operates mean to "preform a function", you counter-proof information is sorely lacking. Not only that but the way I see it, it sound like "my GM filled post" could have ended very easy but you want to be cheap about it.

Oh, I'm sorry that my post seem like a shit-load of god-mod. Maybe it wasn't the god-mod in the first place since you or Kaijin made a agreement to "verify" that this battle must be rigged that YOU would win. And since you said that I am a hypocrite, I am pretty sure that many people who viewed me misunderstanding.

That also remind me. You told me that you have something that "nobody" have. Maturity. Okay, since you acted all mature, how come you haven't fully understand on how someone basically feel the way you are being? Or while in that matter, don't appericates everyone's feeling except yourself? I don't know WHO told you that, but THAT isn't mature. If you are "mature" enough, you would basically share the same idea but as much as "mature" you are, you ALWAYS stay by your own idea and pretend an "inferior" person like me is always wrong (yeah, I remember that time. You said that I was making thing up). Mature mean taking responsibility toward yourself and understanding so that you and the person can reach to a agreement.

So far, you and I are so immature that I even hate to break it to myself. Hell, I don't care WHAT I said about myself, but since I said that I was being immature, doesn't even make YOU mature. I even take my own responsibility and reliezes that you are just being rude and takes thing to your own matter. Heck, it would be even nice that you take this calmly and share your idea but you are just being so denial against me. Now is that mature?

Just one more thing. If you EVER said that you are mature to people, people will think this way:

Shuyin: "I have what most people have. Maturity."
People's thought: "Now that sounds like YOU are being immature. How do the fact that you know more about me and see how I responses toward to you on how I feel? Not only that but it seem that you tends to do things your way as well... Ugh, now that sound like me being immature but still... People will think the same thing but you just point out that you are just being immature."

Originally posted by Kaijin

I spent nearly 2 hours arguing with Beowulf, on how he wanted Shuyin DQed for his "Gauntlet", while in turn, Beowulf only hurt himself, since his "Weapon" had no logic behind how it operated At All. Seeing how it was the last round, I wanted to see who could truely earn the title, but it was Beowulf's illogical God Modding Post that ended it in a DQ quickly, after countless warnings.

Okay, his Hakke Stance works only while he STAY in his stance. Since operating doesn't mean moving, it became illegal, and thus you manupilates what I have to say. Energy goes there and come from that. Then his Gauntlet somehow mysterious get its power to block everything as they are weapon itself since they are coming from DURING the stance.

Okay, let see... His Gauntlets came from the stance, which provided the energy. But if he was already performing in the stance, his gauntlets "operates" like normal. But if he move and take action against me, then the gauntlets wouldn't be operatable because Shuyin break his stance first like how I gave the definition for the word Stance.

Since Shuyin believes that operates = moving, it clearly proves that his way of wording are completely vague because if I operates myself to go one place, it wouldn't sound right. No matter how it is worded, he try to make it sound like the definition should be his way, instead of commonly known with people who basically share the idea. Notice how Shuyin "attack" after he preformed his stance.

Since Shuyin stood in one place for his stance, the stance became "operated" since the energy is active. But if I attacked him while he stayed in his stance, it would already said that Shuyin get to "block my sword", thanks to his stance which is standing in one place. But since he already moved, his stance doesn't applies since his one area was abandoned to get to the next area AND it would no longer applies that he still "remained in his stance AND he attack" which is impossible because it would required two bodies. You DO know what happened if you have two bodies?

Oh, and bias can applies as well. Certains amount of action or pressure are exposes to that many people will hold grudges and whatnot to the user and may have a disadvantage since they are desperately want someone they DON'T like to lose. Even a hidden grudge or conceal feeling have tons of pressure that they would have to find a way to let the person they feel the most to win.

A game, Cairoi? If you really see me playing a video game and if I lost to someone, I get immature. No doubt about it.

Originally posted by Kaijin
Beowulf and Desroth both performed equally in this fight, though Desroth began to get the upper hand towards the end. Ultimately what choice the winner was Desroth's sudden use of an unexplained Meteor. Or else it would have been a tie, and we'd probably have to flip a coin x-x

Smell a bullshit.

Unexplained or not, Desroth STILL seem to have an upper hand but the way he seem post aggressively and keep the "plot" moving is greatly lacking and the personality seem very rushed (which I make an exception to that, thanks to the 2 weeks time limit.) while I try to maintain it. Other than Desroth seem to be a "copycat" at some points, (if you get hit with minor damage, he will do the same.) his description is, by far, better than I have.

Flipping a coin was a bad idea too. This would be wrong since the real choice of action made us feel that one of us have a Lady Luck on our side. That and it seem like you place a bet on our live for one dollar.

Secondly, I even got the feeling that Desroth deversed to move on third round but that was altered when he used the Meteor that push my feeling toward to myself. Coincidence? I think not.

Anyway, there is my story and how I strongly feel about it. I don't feel like judging other since many people will mostly complains or rant on how dramatic I am. Whether I am dramatic or not, whether I am immature or not, I don't expect people to fully understand me at first. But then again, I could creates shitload of mixed feeling where one could make an arguement on whether to see if I was not actually a winner or opposite.

And let not forget Shuyin phases: "transferring momentum into his fist to Beowulf's chest." which really did say he hit me. Notice that he pretends that at this point, the concepts would be "I walking to my house." and "I walked to my house." But since the concepts both involves what REALLY happening right now or past tense, he did hit me automatically and yet a "bias" judge look it at the other way.

And for my final conclusion, I just presonally believes that throughout this whole tournament was to creates a sim-battler who seem more fitted by judger's point of view as an winner. Heck, 2 weeks limit, forced action, bias judging, etc., etc. and don't get me wrong but I already sensed that this tournament was even more unorganized when Leon went missing and/or two weeks limit rule was applies.

Just because I stated out my opinions doesn't make me dramatic. This is how I completely feel about this tournament.
Kaijin Surohm
Living the dream








Since: 08-16-04

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Posted on 10-29-05 12:07 PM Link
Stance
If you would have any more of an ignorant view, I'd have to shoot you on spot just to spare you the humiliation of breathing.

A Stance: A stance or form that shows a special art of a specific fighting style.

Wanna know why I didn't just rip that from the dictionary? Because obviously it would confuse the hell out of you.

Shuyin's stance dosn't mean he's going to stand like a statue, and let you come at him. A fighting stance is a style of how one person fights, and they remain in that stance untill:

A) He chooses to leave it or;
B) You manage to put him off balance, which in turn, would break the stance.

Just because he moved, dosn't mean he broke his style of fighting.

Maturity
Do NOT sit there and lecture people on maturity, Beowulf. You have, thus far, show a great deal of Immaturity. All you managed to do thus far was bitch and piss and moan over how you couldn't handle the way another person fights, came to ME DIRECTILY, and attempted to get him DQed because you couldn't handle it. You have NOT taken responsiblility for actions taken place today, all you've managed to do was blame is on your Opponent, or the Judge, Me.

Bias
Yes, I take great offense to the fact that your sitting there, pissing and moaning, and saying that I judged off a Bias view. What the fuck? I sat and judged the fights accordingly, with how they were done and performed. I did what I thought was best. In fact, the very idea of YOU making it to the final round should have been proof enough that there was no rigging involved.

But no, winning Second Place isn't good enough for you, You have to sit and piss about it. Real mature.

Fighting
Where the hell do you get the idea of Plot? A sim fight is not a freaking Story. It is a thread where two people fight to their hearts content and to show their writing skill. A Fight dosn't not use a story, but one creativity for weapons, and abilites. Goddamn dude, you seriously need to get off your High and Mighty attitude.

If you want people to stop treating you like your Always Wrong, then stop acting like your Always Right when you clearly don't have all the facts.
Rauni









Since: 08-14-04

Since last post: 88 days
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Posted on 10-29-05 02:19 PM Link
Look Kaijin, I am taking this calmly as I can, but it seem that you rather need to be specific reveals that the intention of DQing me without a prefectly logical reason. As far as I am concerned...

Stance n. A way of standing or being placed

So which it may be added to your way of saying a stance, it would be:

A way of standing or being placed + that shows a special art of a specific fighting style (like a pose)

Now not only it show that Shuyin stand where he is, but it just show that he standing just to show the way he fight. It mean nothing of moving around since stance only show of the position of your fighting style art. But rushing in as you already attack, you are fighting and not holding your stance, that what really happen. Okay, but since you really want to shoot me on the spot since I am humiliating while breathing, how come I am still breathing like normal?

Oh Kaijin... I am afraid I already said I have said I was immature. Now you even try to attack me again to even prove that I am immature which really make no sense. I said it before. I will even say it again. If you tell anyone that they are immature, something they will think the opposite. They will even think that you are being immature and that themselves isn't. Which I believes that you just showed in that last post because they will then share the same feeling of how you did. So if you call me ignorant, my feeling would reflect and believes that you are being ignorant.

If you call me immature, then I would reflect and find that you may be immature as well. But I won't change the fact that I may be immature during the battle, but I WON'T change the fact that YOU call me immature in everywhere else. Don't get any idea because I already know on how will you react to me.

Mature or not, but do NOT call anyone of who they are. Chances are, they WILL reflect feelings unless you have a specific GOOD reasons why. Don't even take this whole paragrah to prove that I am being immature because this is reflecting feeling from one person to another. Right now, calling me immature will even show how immature YOU are. (Of course, that would make me immature but I am just going set a example.)

I'm sorry. Did I really blame on you and my opponent or was it you and Shuyin that refuse to see how I feel about the way of our battle? Are you just desperate to prove your point that you would do ANYTHING just to prove the example of your superior?

Bias... Fine, whatever you said, Kaijin. Whatever you said, you want. I guess it mean something like you denies thing since thing could have done your way.

Hey, I will take second place. But the way I see how this tournament goes, I couldn't say anything except how I feel, Kaijin. If you really want to threaten me as much as you want, go ahead because it would STILL show that how much this tournament wasn't really fun to begin with (in second round) anyway.

Fighting. As least every fighting should have something interesting going on. I don't see how fighting one v.s. one with nothing interesting going on would have a... uninteresting battle. Oh wait, if there was no story, then we wouldn't be writing the battle with detail then, would we?

Kaijin, just leave me with the way of HOW I feel. The thing you need to learn is that YOU'RE NOT THE BEST PERSON IN THE WORLD. There are people better than you, and you should treat some people as equals.
Shuyin

Baron of Radical








Since: 08-19-04

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Posted on 10-29-05 05:29 PM Link
Originally posted by Shanan

And for my final conclusion, I just presonally believes that throughout this whole tournament was to creates a sim-battler who seem more fitted by judger's point of view as an winner

Um....duh? The judges decide who they think is the winner. That's why they're the judges. This is a surprise?

Originally posted by Shanan

A game, Cairoi? If you really see me playing a video game and if I lost to someone, I get immature. No doubt about it.

Simbattling is a game. You lost and now you're proving your immaturity. Are you proud of this?
Originally posted by Shanan

Anyway, there is my story and how I strongly feel about it. I don't feel like judging other since many people will mostly complains or rant on how dramatic I am. Whether I am dramatic or not, whether I am immature or not, I don't expect people to fully understand me at first. But then again, I could creates shitload of mixed feeling where one could make an arguement on whether to see if I was not actually a winner or opposite.


You don't want people to understand you. You want people to agree with you. Everyone understand what you're saying, it just lacks common sense and reason.


Shanan I've been doing martial arts for 10 years. I've practiced Karate, Kobudo, Tai Chi, and Aikido. I have a black belt in Karate. In Karate we have several stances. However being in a stance doesn't limit you to your position, in fact many stances revolve around how you move. The neko ashi dachi (cat leg stance) is where you place 10 % of your weight on your front leg and 90% on your back leg. This allows for fast kicking and mobility. You obviously have no credible backround in any martial art or you would understand what a stance really is.

Your ideal of maturity is some warped fixation on your point of view. Maturity is not having the same view as you. I'm being open minded and trying to see where you're coming from, but honestly all I see is that you're stubborn and selfish. You had no problem with the tournament, yet now that you have lost you spout on about how its been rigged.

Originally posted by Shanan

And let not forget Shuyin phases: "transferring momentum into his fist to Beowulf's chest." which really did say he hit me. Notice that he pretends that at this point, the concepts would be "I walking to my house." and "I walked to my house." But since the concepts both involves what REALLY happening right now or past tense, he did hit me automatically and yet a "bias" judge look it at the other way.

It's time for a much needed grammar lesson:

If I said "I throw the ball to Jimmy" it does not necessarily mean Jimmy actually caught it or it touched him. Apply that to my sentence where I sent an attack 'to' you.

All and all you're not understanding why you lost. There was no bias involved, you godmodded severely. You haven't even argued that you didn't, so you must know that you did. Kaijin gave you a 2nd chance to change your post and you went on this nonsense rant. I wonder why Kaijin would give you a 2nd chance if he wanted me to win? Gee....

Basically you're being melodramatic, stubborn, immature, and irrational. The tournament is over, you gave up and got Dq'ed. Why are you still carrying on?
Jedi Master Desroth

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Since: 08-24-04
From: Macomb

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Posted on 10-29-05 06:06 PM Link
I would believe he is trying to say that this tournament was a travesty from the start. In a way, I see where he is coming from.

Leon got kicked out for a small mistake as useing a after shadow once, so why should you have not been kicked out for that one mistake? I bet if someone else had said that (say me), I would have lost right there. Since this whole tourney was full of so much problems and was rushed, a real victor could never be decided.

Shuyin, you may have "won", but it does not mean you had skill. It only means you happened to do better in a 2 week period then your opponent. Real skill comes in the ability to defeat your opponent fully to the end. I do not mean to say you do not have skills, but simply to say you did not earn this title in a way that would make a real champion.

As I see it, the winner should not take this belt seriously, as they did not earn it through a clear winner (where one dies and the other lives) through all the battles. Im sure that things would be different if there was no 2 week limit. You could have seen me faceing Elara instead of Shuyin Beowulf.

Thats my 2 cents, dont shoot me to death for saying it... Take it or leave it.
Xeios

You WANKER!








Since: 08-16-04

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Posted on 10-29-05 08:15 PM Link
Shuyin, I'm not sore against you still. I only was for one night. I'm sore now, because I see how much people got away with in thuis tournament, and they realy did not deserve to get away with any of it. Questionable rulings came from everywhere throughout the tournament, and I just do not like it. So this tournament was simply corrupt. The actual leader of the tourny should be active in his own tournament, to assure that the tournament is adequately run.

I'm not waving any sort of Anti-Judge finger at anyone. But I think that more different judges could have been made a better perspective instead of showing the general textbook style of sim-fighting. For without the creative minds we would still be stuck in the: "I slash at your face."

There's a huge distinction between who the judges were. Kaijin is textbook. But, I have not been able to personaly guage his strength in cmparison to mine and he has not the chance to do the same, so his opinion on my skill is completely discounted. Leon was a little bit more lax, but generally textbook as well. And Sparda. Seeing as how he practicaly wrote the textbook, he definitely is textbook. I did not see one creative fighter on the list of judges. Cyro would have been good. Leviathan would have been good as an artistic judge, but his amount of internet tme was too low for him to be an adequate judge.

So here we are, at a perfect stand still. Kaijin, trying desperately to defend his reasoning, and being backed into a relative corner. Resulting to petty insults of me in order to try to justify himself. There is an utter distinction now, between those who feel cheated from the tourney, or who feel that others were cheated.(it's safe to say that many people think that Elara should have won, if they have read her battle(post length is not a large enough thing to go by. I could add a bunch of random shit to a post, and say it is better than someone elses, and when there is a ruling according to what you are saying, I wuld win.)) And those who feel that everythng was perfectly fair.

So, the next tournament is the the one in contest, a true test of skill. So. On with it.
Shuyin

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Posted on 10-30-05 01:24 PM Link
To Desroth: I didn't do anything illegal. My wording was just misunderstood by Beowulf. We had a talk on AIM after I posted it and I was under the impression that he understood I hadn't hit him. Evidently that wasn't the case. Beowulf messed up, then was actually given another chance. So if anyone was given an advantage it was him. If he would have taken the oppurtunit and edited his post, it would not have bothered me. I wanted a fight that was worthwhile. Unfortunately things turned sour quickly.

Time limits are necessary in tournaments. Without the two week limit we probably would still be in the 2nd round of the tournament. I don't know how many simbattle tournaments you've been in, but in every one the winner was based off of time constraints. Don't get me wrong, I don't feel that the title was won through the best possible outcome. I don't take any pride in how I won.

We spoke on Aim after the thread closed. We talked about how Shanan reacted to the post. You said yourself that you were trying to convince him that my attacks were legit, but he wasn't listening to you.

I'm glad things have simmered down a bit and we can talk like civilized people. I was going to close this, but Kaijin might have something to add.
Jedi Master Desroth

Priest








Since: 08-24-04
From: Macomb

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Posted on 10-30-05 03:16 PM Link
I wasnt convincing him one way or another, I was just trying to reason it out a little bit. I just wanted him to understand that there were 2 sides, and to make it so that he could make his points more valid. I agreed more with him then disagreed with what he was saying.

As for the limits, it could have been a little longer then 2 weeks. I mean, if everyone has 3 days to post, and they dont post until that limit, then there goes a week in one exchange. I know it sounds weak to say this, but maybe a 3 week or a month limit would have been more befitting for the "Ancients Tournament". There were alot of great pairings in the fights that were close to actually determing a true winner (me and Beowulf, for example). But what is done is done... No use trying to change things now..
Kaijin Surohm
Living the dream








Since: 08-16-04

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Posted on 10-30-05 03:39 PM Link
70% of the fights where judge by Sparda and I alone. So when people start saying "Judges" they're mostly pointing their finger at Me since they all see Sparda as innocent.

Don't sit there and tell me otherwise. I'm not dense, people.

On note to Xeios. You sit there and claim that Sparda and I are "By the Book" judges. Guess what? I doubt Sparda even cares about how a fight has rules. Its true that Sparda wrote the book, but guess what? I was the one who re-wrote it to fit the current standings of people. (Not trying to bash on you Sparda.)

A person who is truely by the book won't be creative. If you even sat and read some of our fights, you'd realize we really are NOT by the book. Most of our attacks boarder line god mod, but only because we know how far the attacks can go, since we personally saw to making the rules. Other people don't know whats allowed and whats not because either they NEVER glance at the rules, or they just skimed it.

By me being an Administrator, its my JOB to know the rules. So you can sit there and say that I'm "Textboox". Go ahead. That means I'm doing my job. But take note that next time you really see me rip loose in a fight, look at the creativity of how my attacks are formed. Watch Sparda rip loose in a fight. He'll do the same.

By being able to merge Rules and Creativity into a discription... Thats true Art.

Now if you don't mind me, I'm walking awy from this "Corner" you belived me to be backed into. If you ask me, the only reason why people have something Negitive to say, is because they're still sore about losing.

Deny it all you want.

I also wish to point that that You guys may despise how I rule fights, but if you acctually pulled your heads outa yer asses, you'd have made note that I'm trying my best to teach myself a better way of Sim Battling. Our board's current style is completely off, and I don't agree with how we Sim Fight. If you looked at the Revised Rules, you'd have seen that effort to make the Arena better.

With that said, I'm just going to close this, to end the Flameing. I should have done this when the tourny ended.
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