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Since: 12-29-04
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Posted on 04-20-05 03:52 PM Link | Quote
i stayed on topic, and it was more than a few words... -.-' thread was about a pope, though he died, i didnt feel the need to make another new thread, since this one is already in use. plus over two weeks, 8+14(two weeks) to my knowledge equals 22, i still had another couple of days before this thread was considered dead.

anyways, what i heard, came from fox news. -.-' so excuse me if what they relayed to me was wrong. the banner said the new pope used to be a nazi working with an anti air-craft machinery. and i did say that he said it was blown out of proportion, which means that he didnt think that it was too bad. and plus, who's to say it was only 1%, people kept on moving them around. and you know, only 2% of rapists are convicted, does that mean that 98% are innocent? no, it just means that the DA doesnt want to lose face by picking a case that he might lose, so he lets them off with a slap on the wrist.

back on the topic, i wonder why this guy won, there was the german guy who was the favorite and the africian guy too, yet, they picked an italian guy who was very conservative.

and i never said i hated him or anything, i just reported what was reported to me by the most reliable station on the world FOX (sarcasm). and it was obvious that i was being sarcastic when i wrote my previous post. i dunno why everyone's all, oh no, he's spaming -.-'


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Since: 08-20-04
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Posted on 04-21-05 01:08 AM Link | Quote
Well, seeing that you've now realized that FOX news as an entity is a dumbass, you're excused from your ignorance. It's best to get your news from multiple news sources than relying on just one (horrible) news source. I don't know what's going on with the pope mostly because I don't care.
Belial

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Since: 01-29-05
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Posted on 04-21-05 07:06 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by avatar of law
back on the topic, i wonder why this guy won, there was the german guy who was the favorite and the africian guy too, yet, they picked an italian guy who was very conservative.


The German guy was chosen as Pope. I believe it was the first time a German Pope was elected since the 11th Century.
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Beezo








Since: 12-29-04
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Posted on 04-21-05 04:36 PM Link | Quote
german guy won.... wow, fox has failed me again -.-' said it was an italian guy. *walks away*
Ziff

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Since: 04-22-05

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Posted on 04-22-05 03:29 PM Link | Quote
Beyond the broken tables and wretched theology you people put forward, I don't know what to make of this thread.

First off, someone made a terrible analogy about "God controlling two wars, blah, blah, blah".

Well, that is something called Providence. Based on which Christian scholar and interpretation of the Bible you believe in, it ranges from the idea of absolute destiny (no choice) to moralistic existence (where one must make one's on choices).

I'm a fairly hardcore Catholic. I know alot about my own religion (and more about pretty much the rest of them than most people). JP2 did some good things. Then there are the rest. His bishop's stance on condoms and AIDS in Africa has caused uncountable deaths. His motions that undermined the College of the Cardinals, and the Synod of Bishops mock the founding fathers of the Church. Furthermore, his motions to alter the selection process of the Conclave angered a great many Archbishops and Cardinals.

The Pope CAN declare war. The Vatican is its own City-State and its own international country. The Pope can also form edicts that all Catholics are supposed to follow called Bulls. When a Bull is made up, it can range from calling a Crusade (also known as a WAR) to excommunicating NAZI commanders (Mit Brennen Der Sorge).

Ratzinger has some staunchly conservative ideas. And he is being hailed as a transitionary Pope that will do nothing, really. He is too old to make any drastic changes, and he is not well loved. He will maintain the status quo and other precidents set forward by his predecessor. His past in the Hitler Jugend is sketchy, again. We don't know EXACTLY what he did. The AA battery he operated was stationed in front of a concentration camp labour factory. Later when he was transferred to Hungary, he was at another slave labour factory. It's a problematic issue. And one cannot easily dismiss his past given his current position in the world (effectively one of the top 5 most powerful men on the planet).

If anyone wants to de
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 04-23-05 12:22 AM Link | Quote
His ultra-conservativeness concerns me a bit, but like you said, he's too old to do anything drastic.

Care to finish that last sentence?
Ziff

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Since: 04-22-05

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Posted on 04-23-05 09:03 AM Link | Quote
I can't remember what I was going to say

Regardless, he is an interim Pontifex Maximus, Habemus Papem, whateva!

His concerns about gays in the Church is what bothers me. I have many gay friends who have problems with getting acceptance outside of their parishes.

Oh well, we can just hope for Claudio Hummes or Godfreid Daneels to be the next Pope.

On a following note, I'm going to voice my biggest problem with the reign of JP2. The ignoring of one of the most heroic men ever born. Oscar Romero.
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Since: 08-15-04
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Posted on 04-23-05 12:20 PM Link | Quote
Wow, he really was ignored... care to give us a bit of info?

I think my main qualm was that he apologized for many many bad things that the church has done (silence during the Holocaust, Galileo, etc), yet there was no apology for the Spanish Inquisition or their part in the Burning Times.
Ziff

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Since: 04-22-05

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Posted on 04-23-05 09:45 PM Link | Quote
Um. He did. Three months ago, he had the office that Ratzinger occupied issue a formal apology and repentence for the past sins of the Church. He didn't just issue it for the Catholic Church either, he made an apology on the part of all Christians.

Oscar Romero. Made Bishop in El Salvador. He was chosen because he was quiet and thought that he would just sit around and wait til' he died, then they could get a new one in. That didn't work. He saw the rampant poverty being caused by American backed land owners. He began having his diocese clean up its act and supported a socialist movement to remove the pro-fascist American-installed dictatorship. When he was giving mas in front of 500 people in a basilica, he was shot. He died.

The Pope didn't make a statement until two weeks later. Didn't even go to the funeral, nor did he put him forward for beatification.
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