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Draken

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Posted on 03-11-05 10:57 PM Link | Quote
why is it that peopl who start out as christians as a kid alot of times just stops going to chuch and they seem to forget all the stories and just start loosing theyre faith and become athiests and just give up religion all together imean even jews,muslams and all the other religions just start dissapearing is it because of science, is it because they want to join theyre friends or is it just temptation, or maybe procrastination maybe you'll do this now and then convert back later which is it or is it just some thing else?
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Posted on 03-12-05 12:03 AM Link | Quote
I stoped going to church, but I still hold my faith. People praise their religion in diffrent ways. You don't need to hit the church to believe in God. You can do your own prayers in your own way.

You see, the thing is, the people lose faith, because they feel they havn't recieved the blessing of the Lord Jesus Christ. The feel nothing ever good has come from their prayers, or their songs. After time, they start to lose intrest in Sunday get-togethers, and they forget what it means to acctually hold your faith. They don't see a point in it, at all. It's sad really.

While theres nothing wrong with not having a religion, but it's sad to see someone lose their religion. Religions tend to make a person better, make them stronger. While that may not be the case all the time, it's the idea that is suppose to help someone in life.

So, when you see someone swaying off their Christian Path, just remind them why they were a Christian in the first place. Remind them that God works in mysterious ways, and will almost never choose to help in an obvious way.
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Posted on 03-12-05 12:09 AM Link | Quote
i guess on the other side of this, most people are realizing what a bunch of crock religion is, and i mean that with no offense. when you're born into a religious family, do you have a choice about going to church? no, your parents go, and they bring you. the minute you're able to breath in this world, you're brainwashed without so much as a voice in the matter. i'm sorry if that's of offense, but i feel that that's what's really happening. really, if you want to have faith in something, you should have a choice of the matter, and not have it forced on you. children should not be suckered into it because of all the sappy stories and such. like Easter... do the little kids even know what it's about? NO, it's about a bunny who hids eggs, and if you find it, you'll get chocolate. Christmas? NO, it's about presents. i mean, really, is that what it takes to get kids to stay in church...?


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Posted on 03-12-05 12:15 AM Link | Quote
huh, well I turned off religion because of school, I actually never bothered attending church, my dad has never been a strong believer in religion so he left it up to my sister and I to choose for ourselves.

I think people turn of religion most the time because life is starting to get too stressful and rushed. You will find most people have other commitments elsewhere or some people just couldn't be bothered going to church every Sunday.

But you must remember, don't nag others into attending church or believing in your religion. It's the individual that has to make the decision whether they want to believe or not.
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Posted on 03-12-05 08:44 AM Link | Quote
I used to be a hardcore religious windbag. I attended church all the time. I went to a christian schcool. I went to bible study classes and knew alot about the bible.

Then I grew up and got a mind of my own. And some common sense.

Religion just doesn't make sense to me. I can never fully understand the need for a smaller weaker minded person to latch on to another seemingly stronger person. *shrug*


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Posted on 03-12-05 09:54 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kaijin
I stoped going to church, but I still hold my faith. People praise their religion in diffrent ways. You don't need to hit the church to believe in God. You can do your own prayers in your own way.

You see, the thing is, the people lose faith, because they feel they havn't recieved the blessing of the Lord Jesus Christ. The feel nothing ever good has come from their prayers, or their songs. After time, they start to lose intrest in Sunday get-togethers, and they forget what it means to acctually hold your faith. They don't see a point in it, at all. It's sad really.

While theres nothing wrong with not having a religion, but it's sad to see someone lose their religion. Religions tend to make a person better, make them stronger. While that may not be the case all the time, it's the idea that is suppose to help someone in life.

So, when you see someone swaying off their Christian Path, just remind them why they were a Christian in the first place. Remind them that God works in mysterious ways, and will almost never choose to help in an obvious way.


Amen. Something I wouldn't be surprised if I find myself doing ...

It's not my religion, it's the Church that I've lost interest in. Honestly, it's "weird" and I always feel completely out of place. On top of this, the Church in general, in my opinion, seems to house the biggest amount of hypocrits. (No offense, just in general). Seriously, maybe if people were more open and more accepting to peoples "mistakes" (according to the ... "rules") then I'd be more interested in going.

But for about the last 3-4 years though, it doesn't seem to be changing.

Next to all of this, it's always been a forced upon thing in my life. I don't have a choice, I "have" to go, and sometimes ... just like school ... I just dont' want to go because I don't feel like it.

Aah.


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Posted on 03-12-05 10:23 AM Link | Quote
Jin hit the nail on the head. People grow up. You grow up to have your own opinions. I was brought up a strict catholic mother, and an athiest father, who both said, follow what you believe in. When I decided to try out christianity, my Dad didn't agree with it but he let me get it out of my system. Now I've discovered as a person that Ido not hold faith in anyhting and couldn't blindly follow something that was not physically visible. Yu have to do what suits you, and it's possible to grow apart from the relgion you were born into. I personally don't practice a faith based religion. I have my own intepretation of buddhism, because that's the closest thing I could get to based on how I play with my adrenaline and inner energy while meditating.


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Posted on 03-12-05 05:17 PM Link | Quote
For the most part, it's just that people don't feel that connection to the faith that they were raised in, I know that is what it was with me. Lo and behold, once upon a time I called myself a Lutheran... because that is what my mother baptized me as, but I never felt that connection. I tried and it just was not there... so I found my faith on my own, and now I am happy.

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Posted on 03-12-05 05:36 PM Link | Quote
I don't beleive, but how could I after studying past times. You would see holy wars and stuff like this.... useless killing because of religions. How good is that? It's like it was meant to be war because of them. In a shell, that's pretty much my thoughts on religions.
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Posted on 03-12-05 08:46 PM Link | Quote
I never liked going to church. My grandparents always dragged me there (not literally, thankfully) every Sunday, and yet they seemed about as interested as I was - which is to say, not at all. Somehow, I think it has something to do with mom being pagan. Maybe they were trying to "cleanse me of the evil influences" or something. =/

Never been a religious person, honestly. I make it a point to try to learn about various religions, but my interest is more a thirst for knowledge and insight into human nature than curiosity about the religion itself.
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Posted on 03-12-05 09:07 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, my mom would drag me kicking and screaming to church if I came out and said I was Wiccan. I think she kinda knows though, since she does kinda threaten me with church sometimes... which is rather funny since she has not stepped foot in a Lutheran church since the day I was baptized, and neither have I.
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Posted on 03-13-05 11:32 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xeoland's God
I don't beleive, but how could I after studying past times. You would see holy wars and stuff like this.... useless killing because of religions. How good is that? It's like it was meant to be war because of them. In a shell, that's pretty much my thoughts on religions.


And you know what the funniest part is?

The Church's back in old times became corrupted, and eventually went into politics ... probably corrupting our governments, internationally.

And, seriously I hate how when I used to go to Church every Sunday, the pastor would more than likely bring up the "Government" and how it did "This" wrong, and "That" should be like "This". Who gives a crap? Talk about faith, not how the Government SHOULD work.

Maybe that's saying a lot ... but honestly, that's kind of what I've come to see.
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Posted on 03-13-05 01:34 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by The Xeogred
Originally posted by Xeoland's God
I don't beleive, but how could I after studying past times. You would see holy wars and stuff like this.... useless killing because of religions. How good is that? It's like it was meant to be war because of them. In a shell, that's pretty much my thoughts on religions.


And you know what the funniest part is?

The Church's back in old times became corrupted, and eventually went into politics ... probably corrupting our governments, internationally.

And, seriously I hate how when I used to go to Church every Sunday, the pastor would more than likely bring up the "Government" and how it did "This" wrong, and "That" should be like "This". Who gives a crap? Talk about faith, not how the Government SHOULD work.

Maybe that's saying a lot ... but honestly, that's kind of what I've come to see.
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all right so you just dont like going to church is that it? oyur just too lazy? i mean your willing to commit you self to a video game that lasts several hours but your not willing to commit your self to the one faith you belive in even if it isnt christian i mean you guys are unbelivable. and if you just simply dont belive then whynot what makes you think that a higher being doesnt exist do yo want to be that higher being is that it you jealous? or is it just a way to strike out against the world? if you were actually truly committed you would read your religion's books and believe in them and live by them. and if your a christian and you are wondering why should you go to church its to talk to jesus and ask him for forgivness or even if you havent done any thing wrong just go there and talk to the creater of the earth. also so that you dont end up lin an eternity of suffering and torment. even if this doesnt motivate you to go to church at least think about itif humans are capable of so many things be it war (humans can be capable of so much destruction) or saving the life of your fellow man(the medicines and heroes of to day) and even in fluence people to dress just like them and be just like them(the celbrties and idols of many years) just imagine what the creator can do.
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Posted on 03-13-05 10:14 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Jin
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i whole heartly agree... people shouldn't go to church simply to "be saved." people are always talking about god this and god that, and that man created this and that... well, did you ever realize that man too created religion, which in turn created god? omg, man created god, and not the otherway around, that's shocking!

anyways, religion was created a long time ago, and those suffering days are over. we're in the 21st century, we're not ignorant people anymore. im sorry if i offended anyone, but that's the honest truth. it's like how some people believe you can get pregnate by kissing. that's ignorance, and religion was made long ago based on ignorant thinking, and to scare little kids about why they shouldn't be gay because they'll burn in hell, or ever wonder why one of the commandments tell you to obey your father and mother? it's to make you fearful and not question authority. today, you have a choice to not blindy walk towards your death. why is everyone so damn afraid? those dark days are over... SCIENCE...
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Posted on 03-13-05 11:41 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Draken
all right so you just dont like going to church is that it? oyur just too lazy? i mean your willing to commit you self to a video game that lasts several hours but your not willing to commit your self to the one faith you belive in even if it isnt christian i mean you guys are unbelivable.

And your unbelievable by putting us down for not believing in something that "we" choose not to believe in. If someone wants to commit themselves to a videogame instead of going to church then it's their own decision. Hey, I would rather go to the beach and hang out with my friends every sunday instead of being cooped up inside a building, but that's my decision and no one else’s, and I’m fine with you wanting to go to church, if it makes you feel better, at least you will go to heaven and have god’s graces.

What I do not like is people who bash others for not being with this religion, or not believing or saying your in the wrong religion. It's people like that that turn me off certain things, for crying out loud, we are in the 21st century, half the things mentioned in the bible hardly relate to issues going on in the world, but still people commit themselves to these old ways.

I fully respect "anyone" who chooses to believe in something they want to believe in, but leave it at that, don't try and persuade others or tease them etc for not believing in something you want to believe in.

I sware, religion will be the down fall for this world.
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Posted on 03-14-05 07:37 AM Link | Quote
Allright...the Mormon needs to get in and give his say on this subject...

The people that are born as Christians but end up not going to church all have different reasons. Many times they are different for each person. My girlfriend and her family are Christians, but they just don't go to church because they haven't ever found a church that they liked.

And I totally agree with Xeogred. I've been to Baptist, Roman Catholic, e.t.c. churches where they're preaching something from the Bible and then all of a sudden start preaching on how this relates to how the government should be...one Baptist preacher even related one story in the Bible to how we should all put a good amount of money in the weird little "collection basket" going around so that he could get a new house. I'd be willing to bet he got less money than usual that time.

Now I didn't read every single post from beginning to end, I will admit that, but I did scan most of them. Yes, when born into a Christian family you are usually dragged to church every Sunday and usually have to endure that stuff being force-fed to you. I did I know. But about 6 months ago, I did a TON of research on different things and I decided that were I given the opportunity to leave my church, I wouldn't. Xeogred and others made several comments on how corrupt churches are, and yes, many are...(refer to the story about the Baptist preacher). But let's try not to focus just on the negative here. I very much doubt religion will be the end of the world, because for all it's bad points, it has a good number of good points. Every church is not corrupt, but I find it dissapointing that any are corrupt and claim to be in the service of God when really all they are doing is putting money in their pocket.

Thats my opinion. Whether or not anyone even reads what I have to say doesn't matter to me anymore, but I just thought maybe I'd share my opinion.
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Posted on 03-14-05 07:39 AM Link | Quote
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You don't NEED to go to church to be saved, Draken.
(And what scares me is that I agree with Jin this time too.)
If your going to be FORCED into something, then it destroys the whole concept of it. Being forced to go to church every sunday makes it feel more like work, and makes someone less and less likely to hold their religion.

Like my HTML for example. I love it when its once and a while, and for fun, but when I get bombarded with requests everywhere, and people complaining over little tweaks, then it's more like Work, and destorys the fun.

Same with Religion. If you get dragged out of your bed, when its YOUR time and should be sleeping in, just to go to a church to listen to a guy say how we're all going to burn in hell, then why bother?

I gave up going to church because the Pastor screwed up. He taught us to "Fear God" Because all we ever heard was how God was smitting people, like the Great Flood (Noah's arc) then there was Bable Tower. He never taught us to love our Father, he taught us only Fear. I had to teach myself that it is not God whom we fear, but Lucifer.

He always made it seem that if you do wrong, God would personally drop kick yourself to hell himself. But if fact, the more you sin, the easier it is for Lucifer to wrap his scaly fingers around you.
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Posted on 03-14-05 09:10 AM Link | Quote
Honestly Draken, that was out of line.

Basically all I got out of that is:
- I'm jealous of God. = False
- It's my way of being a rebal. = False
- If I don't go to church I'm going to hell. = False

I don't know who you were directing that to, but I don't recall ever saying I "don't" believe in a higher entity, I do.

My way of being a rebel? Uh, no ... I can't just not like going to church at this time in my life? Is that so wrong?

As Kaijin already said, and I believe is fully correct, you do not have to go to Church to be "Good" or anything. You can stay home, preach and pray, read the bible yourself, and be just as "good" as anyone else who could go to Church every single Sunday.

Church, the way I see it, is basically a place to (or at leat should be ... some aren't, like I said before):
- Place to seek help, advise, and assistance.
- Meet others with similar passions.
- Praise God. (Singing, etc)
- Relearn things from the Bible.

And Kaijin, at least from what I've been taught and correct, you are right that God is "not" the one you should fear, but be totally opposite with. He never condems you.

See all of this? What I'm saying? And I don't even go to Church. That's proof that you can still be faithful ...


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