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Posted on 07-31-10 10:45 PM Link | Quote
Warning, this article may turn your IQ into a potato


(CNN) -- In protest of what it calls a religion "of the devil," a nondenominational church in Gainesville, Florida, plans to host an "International Burn a Quran Day" on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.

The Dove World Outreach Center says it is hosting the event to remember 9/11 victims and take a stand against Islam. With promotions on its website and Facebook page, it invites Christians to burn the Muslim holy book at the church from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.

"We believe that Islam is of the devil, that it's causing billions of people to go to hell, it is a deceptive religion, it is a violent religion and that is proven many, many times," Pastor Terry Jones told CNN's Rick Sanchez earlier this week.

Jones wrote a book titled "Islam is of the Devil," and the church sells coffee mugs and shirts featuring the phrase.

Muslims and many other Christians -- including some evangelicals -- are fighting the initiative.

The church launched a YouTube channel to disseminate its messages.

"I mean ask yourself, have you ever really seen a really happy Muslim? As they're on the way to Mecca? As they gather together in the mosque on the floor? Does it look like a real religion of joy?" Jones asks in one of his YouTube posts.

"No, to me it looks like a religion of the devil."


This is absolutely ridiculous. And this is just a God damned shame. And here I thought churches these days could not get any worse. Here I thought it was ridiculous of getting kicked out of a church for doing the "Rock On" hand gesture. Here I thought it was ridiculous of protesting funerals of dead soldiers, and finally. Here I am now looking at this and it's absolutely fucking stupid!
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Posted on 08-01-10 12:44 AM Link | Quote
Why is this always Florida?

With idiotic bullshit like this going around among people who label themselves Christian it's no wonder Anne Rice announced this week that she's abandoning Christianity again.
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Posted on 08-01-10 12:30 PM Link | Quote
This is just an excuse to allow hate to continue to boil over. they can't get past their hate for others so they find some means to justify it.
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Posted on 08-01-10 12:55 PM Link | Quote
This is asinine. There is no reason for this at all. All this is going to do is cause another problem, and we're all going to be in the middle of it because of idiots like that.
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Posted on 08-01-10 03:06 PM Link | Quote
So apparently there's a big Muslim community center being built near Ground Zero (I don't remember how close) and so many people in New York are trying to prevent it from being put there because they consider it disrespectful toward the dead and see it as a slap in face to America.

Not everyone who's Muslim is a terrorist, guys.
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Posted on 08-01-10 03:09 PM Link | Quote
What ever are you talking about? Yes they are and also Italians are all memebers of the mob, Germans are all Nazi's, and Russians are all communists right isn't that how things work? Wait you mean to tell me that not everyone is held to the same standards as the rest of their countries? Go figure.
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Posted on 08-01-10 03:10 PM Link | Quote
It is things like this that make me hate Christians, and what make Muslims hate them and America. Don't they get that? Morons.
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Posted on 08-06-10 11:59 PM Link | Quote
Fun stuff erupting from Los Angeles regarding the fight against the Muslim center near Ground Zero...


'Museum Of Tolerance' Director Opposes Mosque But Built Museum On Muslim Cemetery

The group behind the recently opened "Museum of Tolerance" museum in Manhattan has come out against a planned Islamic community center, which includes a mosque, near Ground Zero.

"Religious freedom does not mean being insensitive...or an idiot," Rabbi Meyer May, the Wiesenthal Center's executive director, told Crain's New York.

"Religion is supposed to be beautiful," he said. "Why create pain in the name of religion?"

It's a topic he knows something about. The Wiesenthal Center caused an uproar in for building one of its Museums of Tolerance on top of an old Muslim burial ground in Jerusalem.

The building of that museum has "resulted in digging up the remains of people who had been buried in a Muslim cemetery for generations," according to City University professor Marnia Lazreg. Indeed, in 2006, workers dug up bones, and an Arab group sued to stop the project from going forward.

The Wiesenthal Center has pushed forward, however, and in 2008 the Israeli Supreme Court declared that the center was allowed to build its museum on the land.

The court pointed out that no one had objected years before when the city had paved over the land for a parking lot.

The furor over the downtown Manhattan community center has intensified over the past few weeks. It should be noted, though, that Muslims already hold daily prayers in the building and have for months. And the actual World Trade Center site will host an office tower -- with Conde Nast in negotiations to become a prime tenant.




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To quote the first comment to this story: "Intolerance. It's the new tolerance."

A little backstory for those who might be lost...

The Weisenthal Center is based out of L.A. where they have the Museum of Tolerance, which is designed to educate people who visit it about world intolerance, specifically the Holocaust. Tour guides, several of them Holocaust survivors, take you on a walkthrough of the exhibit. The Museum of Tolerance also showcases other things like the Cambodian Killing Fields and black segregation.

The Museum has refused to allow information about the Armenian genocide to be made available within, much to the anger of Armenians, especially the members of System of a Down.

To have this group, which happens to be Jewish, preach about learning to love one another and religious freedom yet opposing a Muslim community center is a MASSIVE slap in the face.

I'm sorry, but as a patron of many of Los Angeles' museums and art communities, this just pisses me off. What. The. Fuck!?
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Posted on 08-09-10 08:49 PM Link | Quote
I have noticed that a lot of people that preach that message are nothing but hypocrites and it is truly sad.
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Posted on 08-09-10 09:29 PM Link | Quote
Apparently that cemetery that they dug up to make way for a Museum of Tolerance in Jerusalem contained many Muslim saints and scholars.

The more I read about it the more irritated I've become with the situation.
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Posted on 08-09-10 11:46 PM Link | Quote
wow.... I feel the hate... from everyone in this thread.

Elara: way to do to Christians what you claim Christians are doing to others.... "It is things like this that make me hate Christians, and what make Muslims hate them and America. Don't they get that? Morons."

it's only the loudest of any group that gets attention like this.... the moderate reasonable people don't get on the news for not hating someone....
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Posted on 08-10-10 12:05 AM Link | Quote
Overall, it's an almost unbearable shame that there are these outspoken groups of ... well, assholes who are making the majority look bad, be they the WBC, these Christians planning to destroy Korans, or the group digging up a Muslim cemetery to put in a museum about Jewish struggle.
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Posted on 08-15-10 08:18 AM Link | Quote
Well this does seem fairly retarded... Even if I agree with the other article that there shouldn't be a mosque built by Ground Zero, much like I agree that no religious temples should be built there, only a replacement building with the same use as before.

I mean, hell, I don't like Islam as a faith, it's really disgusting with some of its interests, considering they are instructed to lie in order to advance the spread of Islam, are told to believe that only once their religion and law is the ONLY religion and law across the world will there will be world peace, and that freedom of speech and belief is an abomination. But fighting against religious hatrid with more religious hatrid isn't going to work, it's just urging that hatrid to escalate.
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Posted on 08-15-10 02:20 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ryan
I mean, hell, I don't like Islam as a faith, it's really disgusting with some of its interests, considering they are instructed to lie in order to advance the spread of Islam, are told to believe that only once their religion and law is the ONLY religion and law across the world will there will be world peace, and that freedom of speech and belief is an abomination. But fighting against religious hatrid with more religious hatrid isn't going to work, it's just urging that hatrid to escalate.

I really hope you're trying to be sarcastic. That is truly among the most hateful and ignorant statements ever written on this board.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but I'm disappointed you feel as such and were compelled to write that.


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Posted on 08-15-10 02:31 PM Link | Quote
@geeogree: you know I don't hate all Christians so step off your high horse. I just hate the morons that do shit like this. Can you honestly say you agree with their actions? Yes, they are the loudest group, but that doesn't make them right, and to say nothing let's them live in the delusion that we agree so why don't the moderates get a bit louder in condeming actions like this so they stop?

And yeah... Ryan, that didn't come across as sounding too good.
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Posted on 08-16-10 12:47 AM Link | Quote
I know.... just the way you said it made you sound no different than the people you were railing against.


And as for moderates stepping up to the plate.... do you really want to try and get in these people's faces? I think the average person hopes if you ignore them they'll just go away. The problem is the media gives these nutjobs air time to spout their garbage. Not that I expect them to be fair and unbiased in their portrayal of anything... but let's not give the radical extremes of any group the time of day. They don't represent anyone but themselves...
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Posted on 08-16-10 01:01 AM Link | Quote
Does any religious group represent anything other than themselves? I feel as though this is just a sad attempt to spew hatred and i agree that they shouldn't be given the airtime to spew nonsense like this. Being islamic doesn't make you a terrorist. and @ ryan, as for lying to get people to join Islam EVERY religion does that. EVERY. I've been to a church wear the priest was granted a loan because he prayed for it so if you pray you get one too! It's every religion.
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Posted on 08-16-10 03:39 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Urban Astronaut
@ ryan, as for lying to get people to join Islam EVERY religion does that. EVERY. I've been to a church wear the priest was granted a loan because he prayed for it so if you pray you get one too! It's every religion.


Good thing I hate all religion!

Seriously, this wasn't just an attack on Islam. Those were just some things I've been told about it. They may or may not be true, but I've read small portions of the Qur'an and, given its rather abrasive tone of writing (at least in the translation to English, since I can't read squiggle-speak of any kind) it does give the impression it's not a very open religion. Political and religious freedom, I'm fairly sure, are considered bad, simply because it means you're not believing in their law and God. But even then, I guess it's not just Islam that has this problem.

I have issues with all religions, with their methods of gaining followers, with their beliefs and such... Although my main annoyance is the smaller groups' insistence that science is unnecessary, specifically regarding evolution and such where they just say "God did it" and people believe it.

But meh, I'll stop. xD Just saying, I don't have to respect people's deeply held beliefs, and instead just trounce all over them. I do it to Vulkar all the time.
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Posted on 08-17-10 04:20 PM Link | Quote
Looking over some of the comments thus far, there was an apparent misunderstanding. There will not be a mosque built ON Ground Zero. The proposed plan is for a Muslim community center built slightly more than two blocks from it.

Anyway, here's some light reading.


How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began
A viciously anti-Muslim blogger, the New York Post and the right-wing media machine: How it all went down

A group of progressive Muslim-Americans plans to build an Islamic community center two and a half blocks from ground zero in lower Manhattan. They have had a mosque in the same neighborhood for many years. There's another mosque two blocks away from the site. City officials support the project. Muslims have been praying at the Pentagon, the other building hit on Sept. 11, for many years.

In short, there is no good reason that the Cordoba House project should have been a major national news story, let alone controversy. And yet it has become just that, dominating the political conversation for weeks and prompting such a backlash that, according to a new poll, nearly 7 in 10 Americans now say they oppose the project. How did the Cordoba House become so toxic, so fast?

In a story last week, the New York Times, which framed the project in a largely positive, noncontroversial light last December, argued that it was cursed from the start by "public relations missteps." But this isn't accurate. To a remarkable extent, a Salon review of the origins of the story found, the controversy was kicked up and driven by Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch's New York Post.

Here's a timeline of how it all happened:

* Dec. 8, 2009: The Times publishes a lengthy front-page look at the Cordoba project. "We want to push back against the extremists," Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the lead organizer, is quoted as saying. Two Jewish leaders and two city officials, including the mayor's office, say they support the idea, as does the mother of a man killed on 9/11. An FBI spokesman says the imam has worked with the bureau. Besides a few third-tier right-wing blogs, including Pamela Geller's Atlas Shrugs site, no one much notices the Times story.

* Dec. 21, 2009: Conservative media personality Laura Ingraham interviews Abdul Rauf's wife, Daisy Khan, while guest-hosting "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox. In hindsight, the segment is remarkable for its cordiality. "I can't find many people who really have a problem with it," Ingraham says of the Cordoba project, adding at the end of the interview, "I like what you're trying to do."

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(This segment also includes onscreen the first use that we've seen of the misnomer "ground zero mosque.") After the segment and despite the front-page Times story there were no news articles on the mosque for five and a half months, according to a search of the Nexis newspaper archive.

* May 6, 2010: After a unanimous vote by a New York City community board committee to approve the project, the AP runs a story. It quotes relatives of 9/11 victims (called by the reporter), who offer differing opinions. The New York Post, meanwhile, runs a story under the inaccurate headline, "Panel Approves 'WTC' Mosque." Geller is less subtle, titling her post that day, "Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction." She writes on her Atlas Shrugs blog, "This is Islamic domination and expansionism. The location is no accident. Just as Al-Aqsa was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem." (To get an idea of where Geller is coming from, she once suggested that Malcolm X was Obama's real father. Seriously.)

* May 7, 2010: Geller's group, Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), launches "Campaign Offensive: Stop the 911 Mosque!" (SIOA 's associate director is Robert Spencer, who makes his living writing and speaking about the evils of Islam.) Geller posts the names and contact information for the mayor and members of the community board, encouraging people to write. The board chair later reports getting "hundreds and hundreds" of calls and e-mails from around the world.

* May 8, 2010: Geller announces SIOA's first protest against what she calls the "911 monster mosque" for May 29. She and Spencer and several other members of the professional anti-Islam industry will attend. (She also says that the protest will mark the dark day of "May 29, 1453, [when] the Ottoman forces led by the Sultan Mehmet II broke through the Byzantine defenses against the Muslim siege of Constantinople." The outrage-peddling New York Post columnist Andrea Peyser argues in a note at the end of her column a couple of days later that "there are better places to put a mosque."

* May 13, 2010: Peyser follows up with an entire column devoted to "Mosque Madness at Ground Zero." This is a significant moment in the development of the "ground zero mosque" narrative: It's the first newspaper article that frames the project as inherently wrong and suspect, in the way that Geller has been framing it for months. Peyser in fact quotes Geller at length and promotes the anti-mosque protest of Stop Islamization of America, which Peyser describes as a "human-rights group." Peyser also reports falsely that Cordoba House's opening date will be Sept. 11, 2011.

Lots of opinion makers on the right read the Post, so it's not surprising that, starting that very day, the mosque story spread through the conservative and then mainstream media like fire through dry grass. Geller appeared on Sean Hannity's radio show. The Washington Examiner ran an outraged column about honoring the 9/11 dead. So did Investor's Business Daily. Smelling blood, the Post assigned news reporters to cover the ins and outs of the Cordoba House development daily. Fox News, the Post's television sibling, went all out.

Within a month, Rudy Giuliani had called the mosque a "desecration." Within another month, Sarah Palin had tweeted her famous "peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate" tweet. Peter King and Newt Gingrich and Tim Pawlenty followed suit with political reporters and television news programs dutifully covering "both sides" of the controversy.

Geller had succeeded beyond her wildest dreams.

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Posted on 08-19-10 02:44 PM Link | Quote
And that is a perfect example of why no one should trust any piece of information that comes out of the Murdoch "news" corporations without first doing extensive research to confirm authenticity.
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