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| Bitmap Posts: 3942/7838 |
Originally posted by Makura Oh dont get me Wrong, I dont support genocide...I guess I shouldent let my opinions get the best of me on that kind of Stand. Im just saying for those who are in the genocide standpoint shouldent even be allowed to have a fair life. Why? because they arent giving others a fair one. very simple. Originally posted by makura Mainly views as well? I mean, I owuld be one pissed off white dude when i find out that one race hates another just because the color of their skin/ and / or their religion. |
| Jobes Posts: 438/453 |
Well as I read all of the post there hasn't really been a debate.
Genocide is all about hate and what not. It wont happen unless people hate a certain group or race or religion. It would not exist unless people allow it to happen. People in Germany didn't know what was happening in Germany. They thought the German government was shipping the Jews off to different countries like they did in the beginning in the War. If the people of Germany would of stood up to the German Government then it would of been harder for the Nazis to have been able to have the Holocaust. So in order to have a genocide the population has to be too scared or ignorant to do anything to stop it. |
| Makura Posts: 1222/1555 |
If I wanted a debate about mass murder I would have titled this thread mass murder. Bottom line is, that the point of debating about genocide and not "just thek killing" is just that, it's systematic and starts small to stop the killing you'd have to go to the beginning. Which with genocide usually starts with descrimination, leads to racism, leads to hate, which all lead to more and more actions building up to one group being comfortable enough to attempt to wipe out an entire other group. So no, Vulkar, it's not 'just the killing.' It's the methods, the attempts, the trends, that's why it's a GENOCIDE debate. |
| Cairoi Posts: 1979/3807 |
Yeah, kill a whole race of killers. That's racist in itself, because you thus assume everyone in the race is a killer, including women and children.
Murder is a lot more an act of passion than it is stalking someone for hours, why do you think those cases get media attention? Yes, the death is a problem. But there is a large difference between the death of one at murder and another at genocide. Genocide is racism taken to the point of murdering countless innocent people simply because they act, look, or believe a certain way or thing. That's the same to you as killing one person? Oh, and another thing that makes me believe genocide is corrupt is that the people who commit murder are thrown in jail for years, but those in charge of seeing thousands die daily are rarely held accountable, or at least deserve the punishment they get. |
| Lord Vulkas Mormonus Posts: 1861/4541 |
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... ... I think that you misunderstood me a bit, Cairoi. See, my arguement is, kill a whole race of killers to save a whole race of killed. It works. Also, murder is only occaisonally killing someone in a bar fight, or in an act of anger. It's bad, but yes, I agree that it isn't as bad to kill someone in a bar fight as watching the skin melt off people, but those are just two extremes... What about stalking a priest for several hours, and then killing him. That is the same as lining up a lot of people on a wall and then shooting them, is it not? Certainly, on a larger scale, but it's the death that's a problem, not the fact that they're all from a certain group. But then, that's just me. |
| Cairoi Posts: 1977/3807 |
Vulkar, there is a difference between genocide and murder. Murder can be an act of passion, where a person drives you to a point where its them or him, and you know it. But genocide requires something far more evil within you.
Is murder wrong? Always. But not always evil. Genocide is the planned, meticulous assassination of a particular group of people with absolute emotional detachment. Accidentally killing someone in a bar fight is endlessly different then throwing them into gas chambers and watching their skin melt. Genocide is always evil in my perspective. To save one person, you kill another race? That's not defending someone when you go off and kill innocent women and children. That's despicable. |
| Lord Vulkas Mormonus Posts: 1858/4541 |
You all are going to hate me after you read my post...
Tell me, what's the difference between killing five thousand people, and killing the only five thousand people of a religion or race? The answer is a fairly large...nothing. Now, I'm going to be very clear on this. Killing thousands or millions of people is not something I agree with, I just think that genocide is nothing more than ordinary murder. It's nothing more than killing someone(or someone in the plural tense, whatever that is...) Granted, it could be because of what they believe, or because of what they looked like, or even because some spanish government seperated you into two groups based on little to no important factors. It's killing, no matter how you look at it. I hate the killing, and I think that that's exactly what you all hate. It's not the genocide, it's the killing. Now, as for creating a genocide of those who want to create a genocide. It coul go in circles like that, but to be honest, I think that it would be perfectly justified to kill people who attempt a genocide that is based on something other then genociding the genociders. So, I hear it's hypocritical? Tell me, if a person tries to murder another person, and you're watching, with the opportunity to kill the would be murderer, would you take it? Would to kill the potential murderer in order to defend the soon to be murdered? Causing a genocide among people who cause genocides is exactly like that. It's defending other people, nothing more. Gah, those last two paragraphs were too difficult to write, with all of the genociders, genocided, genociding genociders, and all of that. Ah well, I think I got my point across. |
| Makura Posts: 1219/1555 |
Mr. Club, this is the 21st century, why should any race, culture, or religious group have to conquer another? I'm not saying this isn't attempted, but it is most definately not necessary.
I'll agree with Cairoi. Genocide is never justified. |
| Bitmap Posts: 3934/7838 |
Originally posted by CairoiOriginally posted by Mr. Club Well yeah it seems hypocritical, but Its every man for himself...a world shouldent be ruled by one race just because they have accomplished it through genocide, they should conquer that role through time of nature. Excuse me being at that point of being a hypocrite, but people who support genocide or abolish by it shouldn't exist. Why? Because some people need to learn that some races need other races to support one another. And also, dont forget the law of history, if one intelligent race comes across a less superior race, the intelligent race will ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS win. |
| Cairoi Posts: 1971/3807 |
Originally posted by Mr. Club I'm sorry, but I just wanted to say that this particular comment is hypocritical. You disagree with people who commit genocide on people they disagree with, so you think we should genocide them. Personally, I think the idea of genocide is despicable. Despite the fact that systematic killing just seems horrible when you think about it, it's a trait of human society since our conception. It's organized and heartless murder, and no words will ever make it better. |
| Bitmap Posts: 3925/7838 |
Originally posted by MakuraOriginally posted by Mr. Club Well, i dont know the name of the man who said that...but i dont exactly see the point in his ways. Proving a point? Its like Hitler with his shitty reasons...why would anyone want genocide in this world? To make a stronger union? but why do it by killing mass amounts of people of some sort of connection? Dosent make sence to me. |
| Makura Posts: 1215/1555 |
Originally posted by Mr. Club That would be Sudan, Darfur. Unless you mean 9/11 which would not be considered a genocide. That list is not attempted genocide it IS the history og genocide. The only thing not up there is the Egyptian attack and enslavement of the Jews, but I figured I didn't want involve the bible which is the only historical text proving that. |
| Bitmap Posts: 3921/7838 |
Dont forget, the middle east is trying to genocide with us Christians.
However, they called it 'Christiandom' or something like that. (spelling error on Firefox? ooohhh yeah) how does genocide suit with me? I think the only genocide mankind should think about, are the people trying to wipe out someone just because they are butting heads, or have previously butt heads because of culture belief. Why? Thats like acting like children! "mommy, Iraq keeps shooting IRBM's at us! All because they feel that our God isn't real!" Mom: "Well then if they shoot one more at us, we'll Launch a nuclear weapon!" USA: "OH SHIT WAIT A MINUTE!" |
| Elara Posts: 4245/9736 |
I think that it's abhorrent to be honest. I don't understand what could drive people to try to erradicate another people from the face of the earth. |
| Makura Posts: 1214/1555 |
Genocide- Deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
Ethnic Cleansing- The elimination of an unwanted group from a society by genocide or forced migration. US State Department " [genocide] generally entails the systematic removal of memebers of an ethnic group from their communtities to change the ethnic composition of a region. Here is a list of the history of Genocide: Carthage (146 BC) - Punic Wars Congo (1885-20th Cent) - Leopold II of Belgium Armenian Genocide (1915-1916) - Turks against Armenians Ukrainian Famine (1930s) - Govt. of USSR artificial famine Holocaust (WWII) - 11 million killed by Nazi govt. Great Bengal Famine-(1943) - Ignored by the British govt. Highly avoidable. Cambodia (Mid 70s) - 1.7 million Cambodian Intelligencia killed by Khemur Rouge East Timor (1975- 1999) - Genocide of Roman Catholics by Muslim Govt. Bosnia/Herzegovinia (1990s) Killing of Muslims by Serbia Orthodox Christians Rwanda (1994) - 800,000 Tutsis killed by Hutus Sudan (Darfur) (present) Genocide of Christians and Anamists by Muslim Govt. (Jau Juweed) How does that sit with you? |
