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| Astrophel Posts: 729/2724 |
Technically, as long as there's no bashing - which by now, I'm quite certain you're capable of avoiding - there won't be a problem. |
| avatar of law Posts: 293/486 |
because i dont wanna get into that subject... it's a matter of personal beliefs, propaganda, ect... so i'll not get into that matter as per http://www.xeogaming.net/board/announcement.php?f=26 stated |
| Astrophel Posts: 728/2724 |
Originally posted by avatar of lawAh, but you're the one that brought up "what your god would want you to do", and you so hastily dismiss the subject? It doesn't seem that irrelevant to me, y'know. |
| avatar of law Posts: 292/486 |
regardless of what your god would want you to do, one cannot simply say he belongs to a domination yet have nothing in common with his fellow brothers and sisters in the practice of their worship.
bottom line, you can say you are whatever the hell you want or think you are, but you truly are not one if you dont share or practice the same rules. surly you can't break every commandment and still say you are a true and pure christian. well, you can say it, but it doesnt mean you are one. |
| Astrophel Posts: 727/2724 |
Originally posted by avatar of law Even with set rules, how does one know if they're practicing it as their god would want them to? |
| avatar of law Posts: 291/486 |
of course people are going to want to pick and choose. who wants to go into a religion that forces you to eat shit to pay respects for their god?
what is a religion, and what is the basis for such beliefs to become a religion? if there were millions of beliefs unassociated or non-connecting with each other, then it's not a religion. two people who share different views, and practices cannot be of a same religion. one person cannot believe there is no god, and another believing in a god can say that they both are christians or w/e. you cannot say there are no rules set for a religion. it's crazy to even think that. if there are no rules, then it's not a religion, but rather your own thoughts of how the world works. and if you are talking about Holy Wars, i believe that both of the feuding sides have DIFFERENT gods. -.-' so no... unless i'm wrong about that, i dont think that was a good example. also, even if they were fighting amongst each other, they're not fighting about the rules, but rather how it's Interpreted. from what you're saying, religion has no set rules, then how does one know if they're practicing it right as their god would want them to? |
| Kaijin Surohm Posts: 961/1852 |
Originally posted by avatar of law Really now? So you've gone out, and spoken to everyone who has a religion, and have actual data on how people view their religions? Or is this just an opinion based on the VERY SMALL percent of people you've viewed in your life? Has there not been Holy Wars in the past that go against their very religion, yet they name it in the name of God anyway? As I said. Religion is not a Ruleset. Weather or not is should, or shouldn't be, it's not how it works. People WILL pick apart whatever religion they choose to follow, and interpret it anyway they choose. And thus because of it, there is no true set for a religion, since everyone practices their own faith diffrently. |
| geeogree Posts: 126/246 |
well, it's true.... who are we to decide that?
we don't know if she is a full fledged Muslim, or just some girl living in America. and in the end what does it matter? God/Allah/whoever will sort it out in the end.... or if there is no sorter... then it doesn't matter |
| Astrophel Posts: 726/2724 |
Oooh, you just reinforced my point!
We don't have all the facts about this person! And yet we try to judge if she's a hypocrite? |
| geeogree Posts: 124/246 |
I think that verse is used out of context all the time
I don't think it means that you can't make any sort of judgements about someone you meet. You have to. How are you supposed to pick a wife/husband without making some judgements about them? Or how are you supposed to pick friends that are going to be good? If you can't judge, then who are we to stop being friends with someone? what that verse really means (in my opinion) is that you have no right to judge whether someone is going to heaven or hell. You are not God. You don't have all the facts about that person so you have no way to know for sure that persons position and relationship with God. That's just my opinion  . |
| 01001000 Posts: 419/944 |
Judge not lest ye be judged - ???
I belive Jesus said that, though I'm not sure. Also, the only reason I can remember that qoute is because I listen to Metallica. |
| Astrophel Posts: 725/2724 |
I think most can agree on that last statement.
But I also think some people are entirely too quick to judge based on what religion you think she is. And on the note of religion, doesn't it say something in the bible about not judging others..? The exact quote escapes me, it's been a while, but you know what I'm getting at, don't you? |
| geeogree Posts: 123/246 |
well, we did already kind of go over a lot of that. We realize that Bin Laden may not have a lot of influence and it is possible that she isn't muslim and we have sort of moved on in the discussion.
And yeah, I do agree.... regardless of religion, she could use more clothing |
| Lord Vulkas Mormonus Posts: 768/4541 |
Okay, I want to get information of several things here before I vote.
First of all, what evidence do we actually have of here religion? Her uncle is a leader of the religions terroist group? That's Bin laden, she is not him. So, what evidence is there that she is, in fact, a muslim? Also, I agree, she should cover up quiet a bit, but I'm just like that. |
| avatar of law Posts: 289/486 |
Originally posted by Kaijin Surohm i guess that's your interpretation to the meaning of life, but in practical means, a religion IS a set of rules to life. The reason why it’s called a “Religion” instead of “Conveniences” is because of the sets of rules you MUST follow. You’re not supposed to pick and choose what you’d like, and still call yourself whatever it is the religion you supposibly believe in. The definition of hypocrisy is the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. Unless you’ve changed that definition, you are a hypocrite. you can however say that you practice christinity, but you cannot say that you are a real christian. like, if you have never read any law books, or gone to any law classes or anything in law for that matter, you cannot claim that you are a lawyer just because you like lawyers and their lifestyle. you believe there is a united states constitution, but you also believe in the articles of confederation. the articles of confederation is our first constitution. united states history teaches that the united states constitution is first, i dont believe that. SAME EXAMPLE! just cause you know a few things here and there, yet completly ignore the core principles like going to law school (church), being an honest lawyer (good person), dress appropriately, ect... does not mean you are a lawyer. i'm not trying to be mean or put you down or anything. i'm just pointing out the fact that you said it's not hypocrisy, yet that's exactly what the word means. i know exactly what you are trying to say, but i cant help it if your interpretation is not right in praticial means. it is right in how religion should, or could be, but it isnt how it's praticed in real life. |
| geeogree Posts: 121/246 |
I guess that's the difference between just believing in something and actually living it
you can claim to be Christian all you want but that doesn't make you one. I could claim to be anything I wanted to but my actions speak louder than my words in determining whether I am actually what I claim to be. |
| Kaijin Surohm Posts: 942/1852 |
I don't find the girl to be Hypocritical.
Take me for example: Christianity. Go to Chruch, be a good person, dress appropriately, worship god in anyway you can, donate to church, etc, etc, etc. I don't go to church, I'm an asshole whenever I want, I dress however I want, i gave up prayer, I find church donations to be a priests scam. Yes I'm still Christian? intresting. (Before you start flaming me, read this next part) Thats an example of what I'm trying to say: Just because you have a religion, that dosn't mean it's a strict ruleset for your life. It's something you can believe in. For example (again) : I believe there WAS an Adam and Eve, but I also believe in the story of Lilith. Adam's First wife. Christiantiy preaches that Adam and Eve were the first. I don't believe that, lol. Anyway, getting past all that rambling, my point in general is, just because you have a Religion, dosn't mean that religion is the rulebook to your life. |
| geeogree Posts: 118/246 |
well, I guess if people want to treat religion that way they can...
picking and choosing what rules they like and which ones they don't. I'm sticking with either you're all Muslim or you're not. There are probably other denominations that are less strict and that may be how she sees herself. There is no way to define that girl just by using Muslim. There are enough variations in every religion that allow for some moderate variability in interpretation of religous texts. |
| Astrophel Posts: 720/2724 |
I'm not sure what to think... gut instinct tells me to go with geeogree's "if you claim to be part of a religion, then follow the religion the way it is supposed to be". But... what if she doesn't believe that all aspects of the religion are correct? If you believe that something about your religion is wrong, who do you choose to be true to? Yourself or your religion? |
| Shuyin Posts: 716/1858 |
I wish I could take back my vote. I voted without doing any research or reading the rest of the posts. I looked her up and she is indeed a US citizen. In fact she will be (or already did) be posing in GQ.
I didn't find anything citing her religous beliefs so I can't really touch on that. But even if she is/was of Muslim faith and dressed like that. Go her. She lives in America, she should be able to enjoy the freedom to wear whatever the hell she wants. |
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