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Lord Vulkas Mormonus
Posts: 699/4540
Okay, now THAT is most definatley the most humorous thing I have heard.

What you see are missionaries. We send them out to teach of our religion. Everyone from the age of 19-21 is strongly encouraged to go. Being on a mission, they have strict dress codes, which is why they wear a suit. Also, as cars are rarely cheap, then most missionaries ride a bike, or in several places then they switch off with some other missionaries for one car.
Evo
Posts: 587/871
Heh, I'm in the same place as that dude. Maybe I should crteate my own religion.
:giggle:

Hmm... I see Mormons dressed up in Tuxedos riding bikes all the time. Someone told me it's because you guys don't believe in cars or something. I think that's a little far-fetched... but what IS with the bike and tux thing?
Lord Vulkas Mormonus
Posts: 696/4540
A cult? Sorry, that's about the most humorous thing I have ever heard about our religion. All of our beliefs are publically available on the internet, or to anyone who asks. There is only one thing that most people aren't allowed to know about, and that's called the endowments. Only Geeogree would know about that, unless there are some other adults here.

Anyway, how Joseph Smith found the plates.

Supposedly, when Joseph Smith was 14, he was confused about which church was right. He looked at a lot of them, and none seemed correct. So, he went into the woods and prayed about which religion to join. Both God, and Jesus Christ came to answer, and Joseph Smith was told that he should join none of them, and he would create his own religion.

Several years later, Joseph Smith was taken to where the golden plates are currently located. He also was given a tool to translate them. He did so.

Other than that, you would have to read the scriptures, because if I go into detail at all, it would take a long time to write it all out.
Van Rhanell
Posts: 242/337
Um, yeah Mormonism has always seemed like more of a cult to me, following an average man's theory and being secretive about many rituals and practices. And most of its members being strangely perfect in basic morality. What do you know about your beliefs that make it into a religion? And can you go into detail on the gold plates found by Joseph Smith?
Lord Vulkas Mormonus
Posts: 684/4540
Oddly enough, I haven't actually looked into this before.

However, I am going to hazard a guess that everyone stays connected. But at the same time, you should know that only if you are in the celestial kingdom can you and the rest of your family be together.

Again, that's what I'm guessing. I'll look into it later and edit this post if I'm wrong.
Evo
Posts: 545/871
But Vulkar, a glass of wine a day HAS been scientifically researched to be benrficial. Red wine to be exact. Alcohol, if consumed in quantities, is dangerous. One glass a day gives enough timefor your liver to process out the poisions as it will do with ANYTHING else you consume. It is not getting overloaded and stays perfectly healthy until your take to alcoholism.

This isn't really an anti-mormon subject, though.

So here's another question. About children and the afterlife (because I don't know much about the afterlife in any religion). You're 18 and married. Both you and your husband/wife die in a car crash. Do you stay with the family you were raised up in in heaven, or with your husband/wife? Or do you all stay connected somehow?
geeogree
Posts: 94/246
Elara: it may have benefits.... but in my mind... I'd rather not have it at all and save myself the worry of starting to drink too much.... it's safer that way
Lord Vulkas Mormonus
Posts: 679/4540
Elara: But one glass of wine could be good for you in one way I admit. However, you should know that trusting the FDA is not a good idea. They are corrupt, and won't even register Celiac disease as real. Instead, when my family realized my dad had it, the goverment just tried to force a bunch of drugs onto him, and they succeeded until my mom found out the real problem.

But back to the point. Alchohol might be good in one way, but what the FDA doesn't tell you is how bad it is for you in another way. The liver recieves damage, you can get some types of cancer, ect. I know this, as I actually have had two relatives die because of things like this.

Saijin: I'll have to agree with you on that, I rarely have caffeine because my mom severely disapproves, but caffiene free just isn't the same...
Elara
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Originally posted by Vulkar
#1 It is addictive and it ruins your health. And yes, it is most definitly for smoking also. If anything, smoking is worse.


Um... actually, a glass of wine a day (or even one beer) is actually good for you. Scientific fact backed by the FDA and a lot of medical research.

Caffeine can be addictive, since it is a drug. At least it's the easiest addiction to break.

And I highly doubt that anyone will try to disprove your religion here Vulkar. We typically don't bash religions here... except for the one time they bashed mine. Luckily that thread was closed before I spotted it.
Bitmap
Posts: 483/7838
Mormons who abide by that knowledge buy caffiene-free drinks. I hate it though because caffiene-free drinks taste kindof bland...

But theres one drink that has no caffiene and STILL tastes like Coke...and thats my Faygo....
geeogree
Posts: 90/246
I'm going to take on the Caffiene part as well, since I am also a member.

To my knowledge there has never been a statement by a leader of our church that caffiene can't be consumed. It's in a lot of things like coffee, tea, soda, chocolate. Now, we are explicitly told not to drink tea or coffee, but no mention is made of soda or chocolate. However, in my opinion regardless of the content, anything out of moderation (that isn't strictly forbidden) is bad. Too much of anything isn't healthy.

I doubt the coffee or tea thing is as much about being addictive as it has to do with them being unhealthy.

Either way, Mormons believe we were commanded to abstain from these things and so most of us do (certain caffiene items are obviously personal choice). That's about how it goes.
Lord Vulkas Mormonus
Posts: 671/4540
Yeah, why not. You, and any other mormons can be free to answer these questions as well.
Banned
Posts: 1074/-3459
Originally posted by XeoBoss
Here's one ... multiple wives.

In my opinion ... eh, it seems to entirely destory the true meaning to a "loved couple" or whatever, but yeah.
(actually, about any kind of marriage involving more than 2 people in my opinion)
For shame, Xeo... asking the question 1 post after it's answered. an' I asked the question. O-o

EDIT: Hey, Vulkar, I know this is your thread and all, but am I allowed to answer any of these questions, and such? I know/knew every single one of these that were asked...
Bitmap
Posts: 474/7838
Originally posted by True Flight
Uh is the most well known antic for youth at mormon dances spiking the punch with moutain dew?

I'm not against mormons... =P Infact I think mormons are freaking cool. I got friends that are mormon. Sajin's friends with em too and they are freakin smart.


You mean Cool-1? He dosent drink caffene because it says in the book of Mormon that it turns your stomach into leather...

and yeah hes smart, I guess its the Harris County way, cause now that I look at things, mormons here are actually pretty normal...
Lord Vulkas Mormonus
Posts: 669/4540
Tamarin: Yes, it is actually the coffee that's the real problem. However, while you may not be addicted, and maybe never will be, I personally know a good number of people who do get addicted.

But the real problem here is the actual coffee beans. They aren't very healthy, nor does it even taste good to my limited knowledge.

Xeo: Multiple wives are against the church right now. However, like I said before people do still practice pilagimy.

However, in case that's not what you're asking, then you should know that there are several people who will have more than one wife. For instance, if a person had his wife die before him, and then he gets remarried, he will still be sealed to the first wife, and the second. So, there will be several people that have more than one wife in heaven, though I wouldn't really be comfortable with that.

Evo: You might say that. However, all of the "tiers" are good, and you will encounter happieness, except for Outer Darkness. The founder of our church, Joseph Smith, actually said that if people knew the level of happiness just in the lowest kingdom of heaven, then there would be suicides everywhere.

So yeah, different tiers to heaven.
Evo
Posts: 483/871
He was saying it was coffee more than anything else, but there are some Mormons that do believe that all caffiene is bad. Coffee can be very hibit-forming. I'm not sure if it's because of the caffiee or waht, but some people CAN NOT wake up without it. *shrugs*

Back on the after life thing - my step-mum was mormon, mainly because her parents and husband were. When she got divorced, she spoke her true beliefs. I believe she doesn't believe in heaven or hell or anything like that.

So there are different "tiers" to heaven, then?
Astrophel
Posts: 605/2724
Originally posted by Vulkar

#2 That actually isn't a commandment. Several mormons drink caffiene, including me. What you are refering to is probably coffee. We have a problem with coffe also because it is unhealthy, and it is also addictive.



How the fuck is coffee addictive? I know a few people - and am one myself - who drink coffee at somewhat random intervals, sometimes a cup every day, and sometimes a month without coffee, and yet... no addiction, nor any symptoms of withdrawal during those aforementioned coffeeless months.

Furthermore, what would make coffee addictive? The caffene? Ooops, there goes soda and tea - both have caffene (most of the time), and therefore should also be banned.


Oh, and those questions could actually use answering, because I'd love to hear your reply.
Xeoman
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Here's one ... multiple wives.

In my opinion ... eh, it seems to entirely destory the true meaning to a "loved couple" or whatever, but yeah.
(actually, about any kind of marriage involving more than 2 people in my opinion)
Lord Vulkas Mormonus
Posts: 668/4540
Wow, about a month ago I was thinking I was the only mormon here, now I've figured out that there are several other mormons that visit this place.

Anyway...

True: I have to say that it would be interesting to have such...odd punch. Alas, I ahve never tried it. Usually I don't even eat there.

Shaddow: At one point, we were. However, when the goverment made it illegal, we disagreed for a while, and then we decided we didn't need to practice it anymore. But then, I actually know someone who was proposed to by a person with five wives when she went visiting Utah. So, wome of us still do it.

Also, there are several scriptures that say it is a bad thing.
Banned
Posts: 1072/-3459
Since nobody else mentioned it, and I'm a mormon, btw...

"What about Poligamy? I heard mormons got a bunch of wives and stuff!"
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