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| Azen Dalin Posts: 4/324 |
It sucks, it really does. In my school you don't have to stand up to say the pledge, yet my student teacher almost wrote me up for not doing it. I got into an arguement and told him that its my right as a United States citizen not to say it if I don't want to, not only that, but I had the police officer at our school tell me that if I didn't want to stand, I didn't have to. No one can make you stand for the pledge...and if they do they're wrong on their part.
Now for the "under god" part. That has not killed, hurt, harmed anyone so I don't see why its even an issue. People who are concerned with this really need to find a life and stop arguing over stupid bullshit like "under god" (note: I am not Christian, I'm Pagan. And this I mean no offence to anyone on the board). But honestly, when we have people in the world dying from starvation...why in the hell are we worrying about this trivial crap? |
| GuardianOni Posts: 236/472 |
I stood in HS for the pledge. I didn't say it, but I stood out of respect. And I would still stand even now. I respect everything that the flag, and country stands for. And for those who have died for it.
Look there is a lot of bad thing you can say about our country. (I say a good amount myself.) And there are those out there who will leave this country to someplace they feel is better. And that good for them. But I actually like it here. (Will now probably be flamed for this.) But this is getting off topic... The whole "under god" debate is rather sad to me. One three letter word causes so much stress, and fighting. And I don't know what's worse. Those who try to sue those who make there kids say it, or those who force the kids to say it. I didn't say the pledge of allegiance. But it wasn't because of "Under God." It was because of what it is. A vow to uphold our country. And as soon as I knew what it meant I stopped saying it. I figured I will decide what I will do when I was ready. I guess it could be a religious argument. The word "God" dose seem to have a religious ring to it doesn't it? :p Wars on religion have been going on for longer than any recorded history... I doubt that we will come to any sort of end to it any time soon. (There is an evolution question... If humans evolve. Why are we still fighting the same fight for the last 10,000 years?) But to me it's a little more simple. It's something some people say to reaffirm there patriotic spirit. It shouldn't be forced. It up the individual to decide how they stand. What it kind of boils down to is there are people out there with closed minds, but not closed mouths. |
| avatar of law Posts: 122/486 |
Originally posted by Pockets wow, what kind of HS allows a person to be a COL for more than one year. usually a COL is the BC, and that's usually a senior's position. O.o; and retire? i would guess that he graduated or something... O.o; wonder what kinda messed up RO program you had =/ |
| Pockets Posts: 573/838 |
The only times I really ever stood for the pledge was in my ROTC class in Highschool, and that was only because the Colonel for my first two years was one of the coolest guys I've ever met. I never put my hand over my heart or saluted or said the pledge, but in resptect to that man I would stand.
After he retired I never stood for the pledge in my other first period classes over my other years of highschool. Nobody ever had any problem with it either. I would sit quietly and they would stand and I wouldn't cause any problems so they left me alone. |
| Elara Posts: 2106/9736 |
Sorry, it's just I know that someone would say it... either that or I'm just to used to posting on another board were if I say "this happened to me" I get flamed and called a liar.
Anywho, yeah... since it was either sign the contract or be suspended I signed it. |
| Astrophel Posts: 534/2724 |
Woah, chill Elara. No one said it doesn't happen, and you're already getting jumpy about it.  I almost got suspended for refusing to stand, but they didn't waste their time with a contract - they knew I'd probably just tear it up anyway.  |
| Elara Posts: 2062/9736 |
Draken, the phrase "E Pluribis Unum", which indeed translates to "from many one" is on our currency because we are one country but many states. Therefore "from many states, one country", hence the "United States".
Oh, and apparently, at least in California, there is some law that says you have to stand. I nearly got suspended in 11th grade for not standing, but instead they made me sign a contract saying that I would stand. I didn't have to say it, but I had to stand to show respect, even though I have none. I refused to stand for a nation who does not follow the main doctrine that it was based upon, one that was a lie. You have "freedom of religion" by our law, but if your religion is anything but a denomination of Christianity you are persecuted for it, even if it is you are still persecuted if it is not a popular form. I was heavily persecuted in high school for my religion, so don't you dare tell me that it doesn't happen! |
| Draken Posts: 22/75 |
ok first of all God is not just the Christian God its also the Jews too. Second We people who stand up salute and pledge to the symbol of our nation that has been here sice the revolutionary war, that has brought pride to our troops from The revolutionary war to Operation Iraqi Freedom and help them to continue to serve and defend our country so that you can have a right to vote whether or not to keep "under God" in the pledge the least you can do is stand for thirdy seconds and pledge to the symbol of our nation. But thirdly even if you dont stand the pride of us true Americans will not falter we stand true to our nation. If i were 10 inches from death that pride i hold in my heart will still be as thick as it is now. and as a matter of fact our For faters came over to america to separate Church from state yet our own laws are base off of the church in almost every document written by the founding faters have the word God in it so why does the pledge have to change too even if t was just in the 1950s.
and another thing i have been saying "Under God" sice i have been able to say the pledge of allegence and i like it just the way it satands i suppose that next youll be wanting to to take "E-PLURIBUS UNUM" off of the US coins to wont youi say keep God in the Coins and pledge. and for the latin impared it means "Out of Many One" out of many differeent people, cultures, face every thing you get one nation ournation "Under God I-N-D-I-V-I-S-I-B-L-E wit liberty and justice for all" |
| avatar of law Posts: 106/486 |
Originally posted by Jobes actually, words arent "just words." they can be to you, but that's not what they're meant it to be. the very fact that it's a capitalized G means that it's the christian's God. anywho, some people live by words, i being one. i dont say stupid shit and not mean it; what i say is who i am. and those words arent what we're talking about. the FACT that it's THERE in the pledge is what the WHOLE issue is about. why single out one religion and have others say it, especially when it's seperation of church and state. and especially when everyone is allowed to practice their own religion and to have the capitalized G is hypocrisy. plus, it's the PRINCIPLE of the matter. one has to draw the line somewhere. |
| True Flight Posts: 448/5245 |
To be honest I could care less. My mornings consisted of me either standing to say the pledge, but I don't. Or sitting, because I'm too lazy.
Okay Patriotism is okay these days alright? It's just not okay to make a SIX HOUR MARATHON based on just old people saying what freedom was to him. |
| Astrophel Posts: 514/2724 |
Well, I'm back to make a post here.
I haven't stood for the pledge of allegiance since... oh, I think sixth grade. This hadn't become a problem until tenth, when my teacher threatened to throw me out of the class if I didn't say the pledge. I still refused to stand, was thrown out of that class for a week, and still refuse to stand. There's a reason I posted this, so shut up and keep reading.
It should be removed. I'm not one of those people that'll go to court over it unless my rights are directly violated; take the above example and add a one-week suspension for a good idea of when I'd start to get pissed and consider legal action, but there was nothing wrong with the pledge or with our money before they added those words, and there was no good reason to add them. I'll remind you that "to make us look good" is never a good reason. Afterthought Note: In my "not standing" for the pledge, I was in no way disrespectful. I was silent, I made no gestures to anyone, and really the only differences between me and the rest of the class were that I wasn't repeating something they had all already said over 1,800 times already and that I wasn't standing up. |
| Jobes Posts: 139/453 |
Ok under God are just words I dont know if anyone stated this before but hey if they did i am just going to resay it. There might be a god, there might not be but that isnt the question here. Now a days people are looking for ways to piss other poeple or just to sue somebody for stupid things. Those words never hurt me and like stated before you just dont have to say them. So i say they can stay in and on both. And other founding fathers weren't nazis, without them we wouldnt be were we are now. |
| 01001000 Posts: 152/944 |
I stand in respect since I am a citizen, but I don't pledge because I don't see their a need to pledge my allegiance to an innanimate symbolistic object. |
| Belial Posts: 58/647 |
I stand in respect. This is probably America's worst generation thus far when it comes to respect. Although I find myself being more respectful than those actually reciting the pledge. |
| Spartan Posts: 758/1569 |
I meant no offence to anyone but would it really be that just ot stand and be respectful...
Just a question please enlighten me. |
| Makura Posts: 290/1555 |
I don't even stand when the pledge is said. By law I don't have to, I just can't prevent anyone else from saying it. |
| geeogree Posts: 7/246 |
actually.... the fouding fathers were all nazis!!!!
who cares what people claim they were? and how can you prove it either way? |
| Pockets Posts: 525/838 |
I never said the pledge because i have no allegiance to this or any country. People are people, which means people are stupid no matter what country they're in or how much power or money that country has.
I just try to live in this world. |
| Elara Posts: 2031/9736 |
Actually most of the Founding Fathers of this country were Deists, which are like borderline Atheists, and they based our Constitution and the vision of this nation off of the philosophy of John Locke. |
| Van Rhanell Posts: 163/337 |
This to me is one of those minute little details that nobody needs to question, but then many people somehow follow it. Even if it wasn't always there, America's founders were of a Christian majority. Their idea was to have a nation which ran on and supported Christianity, but its citizens did not have to practice it. Having under God in our pledge and our coins should be a small reminder for those who might happen to notice it. Modern America (our very worst generations) has done its best to get rid of God from its core and make false theories that eliminate the purpose of religion. The people who want to take God out of our currency and the Pledge are doing nothing but setting America as the first nation to be judged. |
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