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True Flight
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AFN ended earlier =P



I miss those days. So awesome. great pay.

Ha the On Air light is still broke. XD
Rogue
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Bumped because today Obama announced a complete drawdown of U.S. troops in Iraq, saying they'll be home by new year's day.

The U.S. will maintain 4,000-5,000 security contractors to protect American diplomats, but otherwise this is supposedly the end of the war in that country.
True Flight
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Let me explain something. Yes we are LEAVING Iraq. However everyone is headed for Afghanistan with in the next year. Including reserves and national guard. I can understand reserves, but I believe that we are misusing our national guard. NG is supposed to be used for the United States.

However the down side is that we only have like 1 infantry unit in the reserves. O.o So most NG units that leave are infantry.

Look if it is so damn hard to get into active duty because there are way too many people in it. Why the hell are we sending reserves and NG? So this boils down to one more thing. Who decides when to send units? The pentagon.... Who runs the military? The president.

AND ONE MORE THING. It's not free health care. It's a law stating that we have to HAVE health care. SO we're paying for health care that we can't afford anyway.

Oh and the bullshit about borderline protection. Wonderful idea... too bad we still have to listen to people rant about how these laws are racist.

Can you believe that there are people out there who think that President Obama pays their welfare checks? WTF. Some people need to stfu and get a freakin job. I pay for their welfare checks dammit.
Cairoi
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Well, I can definitely see how that's an issue, with people taking advantage of that, but that's less of a presidential boo boo and more of a "there are assholes in this world" kind of deal. I was talking about his presidency in general, not just how he's running as military (which, truth be told, I kind of never had high hopes for as he ran, the man's a professor from Chicago). However, he certainly should improve on that if he wants more support from you guys overseas and coming back home.
True Flight
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Personally I believe that the mission in Iraq is far from over. The rebuilding phase is still beginning. September is when we go from Operation Iraqi Freedom to Operation New Dawn. This is where we hand over a lot of stuff to the government of Iraq. The locals here are cool, yes, however you can still hear the crap that goes on out in the red zone from where I am.

Here's the thing... In the United States... A cop siren goes off just about every well... 3 hours. Every 20 if you're in the ghetto. Here they go off every 5 minutes and along with the explosions that go on here and what not. The C-RAM (our siren for Rockets and Mortar Attacks) has gone off about 6 times since I have been here. There are a lot of attacks to the US Embassy here than Camp Victory itself.

Along with that... We are entrusting this entire country to a bunch of contractors and a bunch of Iraqis. It's a good thing and a bad thing. We are giving military equipment to them and training them up on it. When we leave a bunch of stuff goes with us... I.e. the jobs that the locals have. The security that was once here.

And to answer your question Rogue. I am here til December.

Oh and to you Cairoi. I think that Obama is NOT doing a good job. Personally because he has now named PTSD as the main ticket for being kicked out of the military. This means you do not need medical proof to show that you have PTSD. It's a double edged sword I know, but for those who really have it... I feel for them and I think this is a good idea and for the fuck ups that don't... Bastards need to find something better to do than sit around and collect a paycheck. I mean this new movement gives the disability and everything.
Cairoi
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Originally posted by geeogree
"I'll support Obama for reelection on this news alone."

Statements like that scare me.


I guess I didn't get the not completely serious part across well enough, but I didn't think I'd have people analyzing it. For the record, I think Obama's doing a pretty good job all around and I'd have supported him anyway, mainly because I figure the Republican candidate will probably cater to Tea Party sensibilities (which is only a minority of the party, sure, but they're the ones screaming the loudest) and I don't.
Xeoman
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Yeah I was waiting to hear some input on this from True... damn.
Elara
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Yay, and the rebuild phase begins. Hopefully.

... I don't think they have the booze in South Korea either, not sure on the travel.

How much longer do you have until you are out of there, True?
Rogue
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I think what's implied here is that we aren't sending people with the purpose of fighting. The 50,000 who will remain are those who meant to help defend and build. We aren't attacking.

Granted you'll obviously know more than we do about what's going on over there.
True Flight
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I really hate these type of news articles.

NO THE WAR IN IRAQ IS NOT ENDING.

We're just making it more expensive.

Why?

We're putting fucking contractors here instead.

and no I'm not leaving Iraq early. *pout*

Edit: Oh I forgot to say. Yeah I knew some of the people from that last combat unit in Baghdad. They trained Iraqi Army.

So if you paid more attention we are drawing down YES. However... we are not LEAVING. We will not be LEAVING here at all. This place is pretty much going to turn in to Germany or South Korea with out the booze and travel.
Cteno
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Originally posted by geeogree
"I'll support Obama for reelection on this news alone."

Statements like that scare me.

Be afraid, be very afraid, because that most likely makes two!
geeogree
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"I'll support Obama for reelection on this news alone."

Statements like that scare me.
Lord Vulkas Mormonus
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Two, three years ago, I probably would have disagreed with this, but since I haven't kept up with the news nearly so much recently, I'll agree its probably about time.
Cairoi
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This warms the cockles of my heart. I'll support Obama for reelection on this news alone.
Kyoku kun
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I had no idea that we were even steadily moving towards this. This is such incredible news!
Cteno
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Wow... I didn't think that we were even CLOSE to this yet... I"m happy to say that I approve of this!
Rogue
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I mean, while we've still got Afghanistan on our plate and I'm sure many of these soldiers will probably be sent there, we're done fighting in Iraq.

It's a step toward peace.
Xeoman
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I can ignorantly say I hardly keep up with the news, so this is pretty shocking to hear. And GOOD to hear.

Amen.
Rogue
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Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

KHABARI CROSSING, Kuwait — As their convoy reached the barbed wire at the border crossing out of Iraq on Wednesday, the soldiers whooped and cheered. Then they scrambled out of their stifling hot armored vehicles, unfurled an American flag and posed for group photos.

For these troops of the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, it was a moment of relief fraught with symbolism. Seven years and five months after the U.S.-led invasion, the last American combat brigade was leaving Iraq, well ahead of President Barack Obama's Aug. 31 deadline for ending U.S. combat operations there.

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EDITOR'S NOTE: The 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division was officially designated the last combat brigade to leave Iraq under Obama's plan to end combat operations in Iraq by Aug. 31. Associated Press writer Rebecca Santana joined the troops on their final journey out of the country.

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When 18-year-old Spc. Luke Dill first rolled into Iraq as part of the U.S. invasion, his Humvee was so vulnerable to bombs that the troops lined its floor with flak jackets.

Now 25 and a staff sergeant after two tours of duty, he rode out of Iraq this week in a Stryker, an eight-wheeled behemoth encrusted with armor and add-ons to ward off grenades and other projectiles.

"It's something I'm going to be proud of for the rest of my life — the fact that I came in on the initial push and now I'm leaving with the last of the combat units," he said.

He remembered three straight days of mortar attacks outside the city of Najaf in 2003, so noisy that after the firing ended, the silence kept him awake at nights. He recalled the night skies over the northern city of Mosul being lit up by tracer bullets from almost every direction.

Now, waiting for him back in Olympia, Wash., is the "Big Boy" Harley-Davidson he purchased from one of the motorcycle company's dealerships at U.S. bases in Iraq — a vivid illustration of how embedded the American presence has become since the invasion of March 20, 2003.

That presence is far from over. Scatterings of combat troops still await departure, and some 50,000 will stay another year in what is designated as a noncombat role. They will carry weapons to defend themselves and accompany Iraqi troops on missions (but only if asked). Special forces will continue to help Iraqis hunt for terrorists.

So the U.S. death toll — at least 4,415 by Pentagon count as of Wednesday — may not yet be final.

The Stryker brigade, based in Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state and named for the vehicle that delivers troops into and out of battle, has lost 34 troops in Iraq. It was at the forefront of many of the fiercest battles, including operations in eastern Baghdad and Diyala province, an epicenter of the insurgency, during "the surge" of 2007. It evacuated troops at the battle of Tarmiyah, an outpost where 28 out of 34 soldiers were wounded holding off insurgents.

Before the Aug. 31 deadline, about half the brigade's 4,000 soldiers flew out like most of the others leaving Iraq, but its leadership volunteered to have the remainder depart overland. That decision allowed the unit to keep 360 Strykers in the country for an extra three weeks.

U.S. commanders say it was the brigade's idea, not an order from on high. The intent was to keep additional firepower handy through the "period of angst" that followed Iraq's inconclusive March 7 election, said brigade chief, Col. John Norris.

It took months of preparation to move the troops and armor across more than 500 kilometers (300 miles) of desert highway through potentially hostile territory.

The Strykers left the Baghdad area in separate convoys over a four-day period, traveling at night because the U.S.-Iraq security pact — and security worries — limit troop movements by day.

Along the way, phalanxes of American military Humvees sat at overpasses, soldiers patrolled the highways for roadside bombs, and Apache attack helicopters circled overhead as the Strykers refueled alongside the highway.

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Gus McKinney, a brigade intelligence officer, acknowledged that moving the convoys overland put soldiers at risk, but said the danger was less than in past.

The biggest threat was roadside bombs planted by Shiite extremist groups who have a strong foothold in the south, McKinney said.

But except for camels straying into the road, and breakdowns that required some vehicles to be towed, there were no incidents.

The worst of the ride was conditions inside the Strykers — sitting for hours in a cramped space — and the temperatures outside that reached 50 Celsius (120 Fahrenheit).

The driver's compartment is called the "hellhole" because it sits over the engine and becomes almost unbearably hot. The vehicle commander and gunner can sit up in hatches to see the outside world. At the tail end are hatches for two gunners. Eight passengers — an infantry squad in combat conditions — can squeeze in the back.

Riding as a passenger felt a bit like being in a World War II-era submarine — a tight fit and no windows. The air conditioning was switched off to save fuel on the long ride south to Kuwait. Men dozed or listened to music on earphones.

When the convoy finally reached the sandy border, two soldiers, armed and helmeted, jumped off their vehicle and raced each other into Kuwait.

Once out of Iraq, there was still work to be done. Vehicles had to be stripped of ammunition and spare tires, and eventually washed and packed for shipment home.

Meanwhile, to the north, insurgents kept up a relentless campaign against the country's institutions and security forces, killing five Iraqi government employees in roadside bombings and other attacks Wednesday. Coming a day after a suicide bomber killed 61 army recruits in central Baghdad, the latest violence highlighted the shaky reality left by the departing U.S. combat force and five months of stalemate over forming Iraq's next government.

For Dill, who reached Kuwait with an earlier convoy, the withdrawal engendered feelings of relief. His mission — to get his squad safely out of Iraq — was accomplished.

Standing alongside a hulking Stryker, his shirt stained with sweat, he acknowledged the men who weren't there to experience the day with him.

"I know that to my brothers in arms who fought and died, this day would probably mean a lot, to finally see us getting out of here," he said.


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I'm about to cry. This pretty much means the war in Iraq is over.
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