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[quote=Lord Vulkas Mormonus]Bugs Bunny was in the 50s or 60s, Elara. A lot of pople didn't even know what being gay was back then.

Now, kids are going to find out what gay is, and from your point of view(as people who approve of gay rights), finidng out is okay because being gay must be a perfectly natural thing.

Now look at it from the point of view of a hard core conservative. They believe gays to be immoral and unnatural abominations of the earth. They don't want their children to know about the evils of the world, and what terrible things go on in it, until they can fully understand it, and are less innocent.

Now, this conservative family happens to watch Baxter, thinking that it wouln't show anything that they didn't want their innocent children to see.

You see what happens?

This conservative family isn't nearly as rare as you might think, and I'm of the opinion that we should respect all of those families that want to keep it hidden from their innocent children until they can explain it properly. Being gay is still a controversy, and until the moment when it's not, I don't think it should be shown on childrens television.[/quote]

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Cteno Posts: 401/3416	I seriously think that being gay/lesbian shouldn't be so controversial. It doesn't hurt anyone at all and its a big waste of time protesting against it. So many people get so butthurt (excuse the pun) when they even see two men/women holding HANDS. I really think that gay marriage should be legalized just to shut a lot of people up. I also think its funny that nobody says anything about 2 Satan worshipers being bound together in holy matrimony, or if 2 Buddhists decide to wed, but if 2 homosexuals decide to do so? OUTRAGE! BLASPHEMY! I'm sorry, but I just don't see the point in getting so upset. If the entire United States were just more lenient about what people do (especially when it doesn't effect anyone else) then it would be a much nicer place to live and that television program wouldn't be so "traumatizing" on the children.
True Flight Posts: 3112/5245	You know this is about like holding the sex talk back from children. It's that bad if you do that with kids these days. Honestly. Sometimes television makes it a bit more simpler to speak of such things. but please remember that some children are not raised on just tv alone. There's the parent who needs to do his or her job explaining about gayness, sex, drugs, and more. What's more is TV has to appeal to everyone. You have the gay parent that gets mad over the issue of not putting homosexuality on children shows but on sit-coms. This issue shows that you have to raise your children yourself and keep a good open mind. That's what my view is. You can't always depend on television to do the job for you.
Ryan Posts: 1296/1748	Sorry if this is considered a bump, but this thread was only third from the top. Originally posted by Vulkar As a result, we can't pull the value card until we know for certain whether or not homosexuality is moral. Does homosexuality hurt anyone? No, it doesn't, making it more likely moral than not moral. And don't start pulling up all the crap you gave me about how it would affect human reproduction like you did on MSN because you made it seem like EVERYONE would suddenly turn homosexual if it became a more open thing. I mean, I certainly wouldn't turn gay if suddenly it became fully open, but I do accept there are people who might and enjoy the idea of having sexual relations with a same-sex partner. Just as there are people who enjoy having such relations with opposite sex partners. Originally posted by Vulkar Also, I think that parents know a heck of a lot better when their children are ready to know about homosexuality than a TV how. In my opinion the television knows as much as the parents know about when their children should know about homosexuality: Not at all. My parents never sat me down and told me all about it. I also didn't learn about it on TV. I learnt about it in sex education at my school.
Lord Vulkas Mormonus Posts: 2696/4541	Originally posted by King Cairoi You're forcing your values of reality onto your children, and whether or not you're right is irrelevant. Yeah, but isn't the TV doing the same thing as the parents, yet again disregarding whether or not it's actually right? If you bring in the importance of values not settling into the child's mind, you can't do anything except for not tell the children at all. The point is, everyone has a certain value, and everyone's values are going to contradict somehow. As a result, we can't pull the value card until we know for certain whether or not homosexuality is moral. Also, I think that parents know a heck of a lot better when their children are ready to know about homosexuality than a TV how.
FX Posts: 2687/3775	Originally posted by King Cairoi In a perfect world, buddy, maybe. But not in this one. In a perfect world, they can choose when their children find out about this kinds of things. But in this world, they still have the right.
Cairoi Posts: 2573/3807	In a perfect world, buddy, maybe. But not in this one. You're forcing your values of reality onto your children, and whether or not you're right is irrelevant.
FX Posts: 2684/3775	Originally posted by King Cairoi Originally posted by "Vulkar" only the parents can decide when the child needs to know. ^ No. Not at all. The problem with the world is that everyone is far too goddamn protective of their kids. They decide what is wrong and immoral and then attempt to shelter children from it. If you keep something from a child, when they grow up and learn from it their is a mystique about it. That's why we in America have a drinking problem, while over in Europe where kids are exposed to it, there's not as much as a 'forbidden' appeal to it. Children need to be exposed to the truth, or else they'll grow up in a happy-go-lucky fantasy world that will collapse on them and disorient them. I'm not saying hand them a keg and a porno, but don't hide any facet of life from your children. You make it seem like they should never know. We're saying that you should be able to choose when they know.
Cairoi Posts: 2572/3807	Originally posted by "Vulkar" only the parents can decide when the child needs to know. ^ No. Not at all. The problem with the world is that everyone is far too goddamn protective of their kids. They decide what is wrong and immoral and then attempt to shelter children from it. If you keep something from a child, when they grow up and learn from it their is a mystique about it. That's why we in America have a drinking problem, while over in Europe where kids are exposed to it, there's not as much as a 'forbidden' appeal to it. Children need to be exposed to the truth, or else they'll grow up in a happy-go-lucky fantasy world that will collapse on them and disorient them. I'm not saying hand them a keg and a porno, but don't hide any facet of life from your children.
Ryan Posts: 1172/1748	Originally posted by Vulkar only the parents can decide when the child needs to know. I don't agree with that... (Oh my gosh, what a shock, I'm disagreeing with Vulkar ) Can't the child have any say in when they want or need to know? If I ever have kids, I'd tell them what homosexuality is the moment they ask me about it. I wouldn't want to hide the blatent fact that homosexuality is real, mainly because I feel younger people should know about it. Originally posted by Vulkar The show tries to show gays as normal and acceptable behaviour, when in fact it isn't completely accepted(most states won't allow same sex marriages). And this is one reason it should be allowed. Homosexuality should be acceptable behaviour. It's a man's or woman's choice over what gender they prefer. It would make it easier for people to accept it if they knew about it from an early age. Also, even though it may not be socially accepted, it still exists. Oh, also, it may not be a childrens program (It's a family program though, which includes younger children), but one example of a program that has homosexuality in is Doctor Who, where the character Captain Jack Harkness is openly bisexual, and even kissed The Doctor at the end of the last episode of the 2005 series. I'm certain younger viewers would be asking their parents "Why did that man kiss that other man?" and those parents then have to decide whether to explain it or just shrug it off and answer with "Because it makes it funny" or something along those lines. I would explain to my child what was going on if he/she asked.
Bitmap Posts: 4979/7838	Im pretty sure that there wont be any TV shows in the future that explain to kids that being Gay is normal, because the world is not about Gays. What TV shows are trying to point out is that it is there, there are families out there with same-sex parents and vice versa. Sure its adnormal, but it should be accepted, just as society tried to accept white on black relationships.
Lord Vulkas Mormonus Posts: 2642/4541	Yes, Nagis, I do think that they should learn it eventually. I'm not debating that. I just think that it's the parents who need to decide when their child is ready to know about homosexuals. A TV show doesn't know its individual audience like the parents do, and only the parents can decide when the child needs to know. Also, you are all definitely going to disapprove of this arguement I'm about to use, but what if a parent wants the child to disapprove of homosexual behaviour, when the TV show is teaching the child that being gay is normal? It goes against what the parents try to teach, which could cause the child to rebell against its parents even more. It's up to the parent as to how homosexuality is presented, what about it the child needs to know, and more importantly, WHEN the child needs to know. The show tries to show gays as normal and acceptable behaviour, when in fact it isn't completely accepted(most states won't allow same sex marriages).
Bitmap Posts: 4974/7838	Vulkar, so you think they should learn it anyways? Really I dont see a difference, Parents can explain it much better than how they would first learn about it.
Lord Vulkas Mormonus Posts: 2641/4541	Pockets, we're not saying wait until they're about 20, we're just saying it should be the parents' choice as to when the children learn. Now, you say that cetain ideas are passed through the parents that hurt the children. I am against gay rights, and I have been since I first learned about them, without my parents opinions. So, with this context, you can see why I don't mind such ideas continuing. If someone is instead pro gay rights, then that is their priviledge, but I do think that the parents should have the right to tell them.
FX Posts: 2666/3775	Originally posted by Pockets Children today still are affected by their parents and grandparents views of racism and bigotry. I don't think that has anything to do with being sheltered. 90% of the time a child will share many views with their parents, because they raised them, sheltered or no.
Pockets Posts: 829/838	Kids that are sheltered become indoctrinated with their parents views and beliefs which are not always correct. Children today still are affected by their parents and grandparents views of racism and bigotry. The whole civil rights movement has not moved nearly as far nor as fast as it should have and there is still racism running rampant in the United States. I did not say that sheltered kids would immediately become homophobes and commit hate crimes but they are more prone to being unable to accept such things and not react violently which is a failing of the human race in general. If it's something that we don't understand or is outside our experience we fear and hate it on general principal. I apologize if my first post did not make that clear. 3 years old to 8 years old is the best time to teach children. Anything, not just about the world at large. A well educated child could be fluent in at least seven different languages by the time they enter middle school. They could be proficient in mathematics and science by then as well, easily grasping trigonometry and advanced algebra before highschool. Teaching children is the best thing to do, sheltering them just makes their adult lives more difficult than they have to be.
geeogree Posts: 218/246	wow. I love how kids that are sheltered all of a sudden commit hate crimes and are homophobes. Way to draw a conclusion that isn't true. I never suggested that kids should never learn about these things. If my kids ask me about sex,drugs etc. I would tell them what they need to know. There are certain things that 3 year olds don't need to know.
FX Posts: 2663/3775	Originally posted by Pockets Parents don't decide when their children learn about sex, drugs, death and so on and so forth. If you think that you're deluding yourself. Children learn about such things from other children, friends, siblings, television, movies, the media in general. Parents don't decide that kind of thing and sheltering them is the worst thing you do can do. To a point at least. True, but the still have the right to try.
Pockets Posts: 828/838	Originally posted by geeogree Originally posted by Gesar Originally posted by geeogree Originally posted by Gesar I stand by the fact that while they may learn about it eventually, when should be the parent's decision. Just like the parent decides when their child should learn about sex, drugs, death, etc. completely agree. There are a lot of things in life that happen even if we may not like them. Violence is something that happens on a daily basis but I plan on doing all I can to shelter my kids from it as long as possible. Maybe not as long as possible, but until you think they are ready... well yeah. Ummm..... Bullshit? Parents don't decide when their children learn about sex, drugs, death and so on and so forth. If you think that you're deluding yourself. Children learn about such things from other children, friends, siblings, television, movies, the media in general. Parents don't decide that kind of thing and sheltering them is the worst thing you do can do. To a point at least. The best thing is to make sure that they're prepared to face such things about the world. Sheltered children who in their late teens or early adult life suddenly learn abour Homosexuals and drugs and other less "Accepted" things will not know how to handle the real world because they've been sheltered. I firmly believe that homophobes and hate crimes are the product of sheltered children being indoctrinated with their parents views of the world from a young age. They get into the real world and don't know how to handle it so they lash out, because their parents tried to shelter them and didn't tell them anything. If my three year old daughter (when I have one) asks me one day what being gay means or what sex is I won't tell her she's too young to understand. I intend to sit her down and discuss and explain. It's better to explain to children. At a young age children can process information and learn better than any adult because their minds are still young and haven't been programmed with the patterns of prejudice and bigotry that unfortunately runs so rampant in this very closed minded American society. More parents should talk to their kids than constantly trying to shelter them.
geeogree Posts: 217/246	Originally posted by Gesar Originally posted by geeogree Originally posted by Gesar I stand by the fact that while they may learn about it eventually, when should be the parent's decision. Just like the parent decides when their child should learn about sex, drugs, death, etc. completely agree. There are a lot of things in life that happen even if we may not like them. Violence is something that happens on a daily basis but I plan on doing all I can to shelter my kids from it as long as possible. Maybe not as long as possible, but until you think they are ready... well yeah.
Fennicy Posts: 278/546	Originally posted by Gesar I stand by the fact that while they may learn about it eventually, when should be the parent's decision. Just like the parent decides when their child should learn about sex, drugs, death, etc. I agree with you as well, but on the other hand I believe that the earlier people/kids learn about this sort of thing out in the real world the less problems there would be to accept it. I mean sex, drugs, death and such is a subject that they don't have to find out about until they are old enough to deal with that kind of knowledge. Yet such things like racial diversity and sexual diversity should be something, I believe, to get used to at an early age so that it, like I said before, would be much easier to accept. Then again, it's a mother's right to decide what sort of things her kids should be exposed to until they can think for themselves about it.
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