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[quote=FX]A friend of mine made a rant that is perfect for this debate:

[quote]If any of you actually read my webcomic (which is rather unlikely...) then you should notice that I am getting more and more annoyed by racism, and the mentality behind it.

The silly thing? People like the KKK or the Black Panthers don't really bother me!

It's strange. If you make it your lifestyle, it's fine... However, if you let it AFFECT your lifestyle, it drives me up the wall...

Let's take a different approach to this.

Let's say that your favorite "not-white" comedian says the N-Word on national television. What happens?

Nothing?

Nice.

Now let's say that your favorite WHITE comedian says the N-Word, (out of seething anger, and this being an outburst after no history of any racial remarks, whatsoever, and he only did it to be able to say the one thing that would most piss off the man who'd been pissing him off all night long, and in fact was saying racist things about him in the first place,) in a bar, with nobody around to hear it, except for another black person, and somebody with a camera phone.

HO-SNAP!

Or better yet, let's say that a white man says a racial line, that isn't even the dreaded N-Word, and he intended it as a joke. What happens?

He loses his job? Dude!

But if a guy, on national television, hell, on CSpan, says, calmly, in clear conscience, that he believes that... well...

What happens? Nothing at all? A few (4) angry little videos on youtube, calling him the "black Hitler" and that's all? Why hasn't he lost his job? Why hasn't he been universally hated by everyone, the way Kramer and Itus have?

Oh...

I get it...

It's because he's black, isn't it?

I guess it just doesn't make sense to call a black man a racist.

Which leads me to my next question.

Why not?

I think that it's syntax. A "racist" is a white person, just as a "nigger" is a black person, or all the other racial slurs that elude me because I honestly don't know which ones apply to which ethnic groups.

"Racist" is a racial slur! That's why you almost never hear anybody who isn't of Caucasian decent being called "a Racist". Not the adjective. "Racist" is still a word that can be used to describe people places and things, but when you turn it into a noun, it's a slur.

I'm going to, from now on, treat it as such. People don't tend to call me racist that often, (except in passing when I refuse to give my Latino friend the answers to the math test I'm taking, and even then it's only a joke)

...But the next time I do, and the person calling me a racist ISN'T white... I'm going to sue his ass for all he's got (which probably wont be much, because he's mexican...) (and I dare you to call me racist for that... I dare you...)

White people? We finally have our word that only we can say. High five.[/quote][/quote]

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FX Posts: 2435/3775	Originally posted by Clash Has anyone read "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings"? It's not nice to white people at all. True, but it's also an autobiography, if I'm correct, so it's based on real events. Originally posted by Clash Eh, I'm just tired of double standards from both sides of the fence. Especially comedians.
Shuyin Posts: 1461/1858	I think racial slurs or derogatory remarks are usually reason enough to be fired regardless of your race. I don't see the double standard.....Isaisah Washington (who's black) just got fired from Grey's Anatomy for calling fellow co-star T.R Knight, gay derogatory terms. I don't see the double standard....Prejudice is Prejudice. It's very hard for many Caucasians to understand what it's like to face prejudice. It's very easy to say 'Get over it' when you can't even come close to empathizing. Is there really any racist word that can offend white people? Honky? Cracker? Do many of Caucasians even know those words are derogatory? Answer: No. And even so...they still don't carry the same 'oompf.'
Cairoi Posts: 2329/3807	My opinion is that Racism is the modern day witch hunt. I honestly think that people all take themselves way too seriously. I could care less if someone hates me. If they act against me in a violent manner, I shall fight back. But honestly, we're supposedly taught as a child not to let words hurt us, but people lose their reputations and jobs and everything just because of a damn slip. Has anyone read "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings"? It's not nice to white people at all. Eh, I'm just tired of double standards from both sides of the fence.
Shuyin Posts: 1459/1858	Originally posted by Vulkar I think, Shuyin, that if everyone kept standing up and saaying how terrible the white man devil is, then they're being racist Racist? If someone kept picking on you and you stood against them...that makes you hate their race? That doesn't make sense. You're also saying that black people should stop protesting against prejudice? The only thing that helps is the white side. Originally posted by Vulkar and racism isn't that common anymore from our side. I personally am friends with several people who are black, as are almost everyone I know. Let me break this down for you: A. Just because segregation isn't normal doesn't mean racism is now uncommon. B. I'm afraid you're basing your assumptions on racism around your area. C. The 'I have black friends' is the universal reply when someone is marked as racist. In no way am I calling you a racist. But that doesn't really mean anything.
Lord Vulkas Mormonus Posts: 2240/4541	I think, Shuyin, that if everyone kept standing up and saaying how terrible the white man devil is, then they're being racist, and insulting back. As a result, we, the white man devils, are going to think less of those that are black, and so the blakcs insult more, etc. It's an endless process, and at some point then someone needs to stop the insulting and be the better man. We who are white have really made progress, and racism isn't that common anymore from our side. I personally am friends with several people who are black, as are almost everyone I know.
Shuyin Posts: 1455/1858	Originally posted by Enyulan I am glad this guy got fired. In my opinion, the only thing worse then racist people, is the minorities that bitch and flip out at racist people. 1. Racists are dumb. 2. Getting bent out of shape because dumb people insult your ethnic background is more dumb. 3. Keeping racism alive because it gets under #2's skin is by far the most dumb thing I have ever seen. If a bully is insulting you, the worst thing to do is to show him it hurts your feelings, he will end up doing it more. It's a matter of pride. You're saying it's better to let people walk all over you, than defend your honor? Biting your tongue is NEVER going to end racism. It'll only promote it. A bully is going to insult you regardless. Standing up for yourself is the only thing you can do.
Elara Posts: 4444/9736	Originally posted by Danny Phantom Now, black people have gained rights, yet they gain enough right that allows them to pretty much have their revenge on the whites, even though the white people of today a firstly not the same people that kidnapped people in India and transported them in big ships to the US where they would live a life of slavery... Africa, not India... but otherwise I have to agree with you on the rest of what you said.
Enyulan Posts: 12/17	I am glad this guy got fired. In my opinion, the only thing worse then racist people, is the minorities that bitch and flip out at racist people. 1. Racists are dumb. 2. Getting bent out of shape because dumb people insult your ethnic background is more dumb. 3. Keeping racism alive because it gets under #2's skin is by far the most dumb thing I have ever seen. If a bully is insulting you, the worst thing to do is to show him it hurts your feelings, he will end up doing it more.
Ryan Posts: 962/1748	This seems a bit like the topic before about women's rights going from far below a male's to much higher over them. It used to be that white people would kick the shit into black people (And that's probably not just a figure of speech). Now, black people have gained rights, yet they gain enough right that allows them to pretty much have their revenge on the whites, even though the white people of today a firstly not the same people that kidnapped people in India and transported them in big ships to the US where they would live a life of slavery... So now, because of those times spanning from 60 or so years ago to about 300 years ago, whites have less ability of free speech about their feelings of black people, while a group of black men could probably shout across the street at a single white man calling him by a number of racist remarks and no one would think less of them... Society is screwed up. (Sorry if this makes little sense or is off topic, I just woke up and I can't remember writing half of this post xD... I tried to read whats already been said as best as I can though.)
Shuyin Posts: 1439/1858	I don't really know where to begin right now. Logo's analogy of a classroom is an excellent way to word things. Many people don't understand white privilege or being the minority. Whether you accept that being a rich Christian white male puts you at the top of society or not doesn't matter. It's true.Many times people lash out at a particular race out of fear/ignorance/ or hate. Many people will consider themselves to be non-racist, but when threatened by a particular group, they'll use derogatory remarks. Nigga/Nigger has many connotations. I, for one, don't advocate the use of the word. However, calling your friends 'your niggas' and calling someone a 'nigger/nigga' are two different things. Why? Because they're meant in different ways. When two black males refer to each other in that way, it's a way of showing affection. Given it may not be the proper terminology, but that is how it is meant. Imus's comment was not appropriate. Especially when said live for the world to hear. Regardless of his ethnicity, it still was uncalled for. Right now the hip-hop community is trying fix itself. Rappers are turning to other rappers and saying, "Look. We have to change the content of our music."
Elara Posts: 4371/9736	Good point... though I think that if he had to be fired over what he said, it should have been because what he said was blatantly sexist, not racist.
venomouslobster Posts: 437/444	I would like to point out that his comments were not infact racist, but merely insults. he called them prostitutes with bad hair! The only reason anyones saying it was racist was because he used black vernacular to call them such!....and furthermore, free speech dosent enter into it, he is paid to talk about sports by a private institution, then he talked in a manner his employers disliked so they fired him.
FX Posts: 2301/3775	Yeah, my high school wouldn't let us make a Caucasian Club, even though there is a Latino Club. WTF?
Bitmap Posts: 4241/7838	Originally posted by Elara Seriously, the whole country needs racial sensitivity training... or to give me a mallet so I can pound into people's heads that there is only one race! This was viewed on Gaia as well. It went like this. My friends and I got permission from several helpers to start a "White Only" guild. It pretty much spammed me on hate PM's. But then again you have guilds that have "The Asians only" guild and "Females only" type of shit. Why exactly are whites in the wrong here? Its because we are tolerated as being the most racist race of all? Why? Well lets point this out on history. Famous presidents owned slaves, several years ago there were "White only" shops, and last, there was the KKK. Who did this? White people. Some people cant take shit out of their head and get with the times. I guarantee you anything if no race found out about their previous experiences, there would prolly be no racism in this planet. Hating someone because of the color of their skin or whatnot is down right retarded.
Logos Posts: 576/641	Originally posted by Ziff Now, for 10 pages of "waaaa, I'm white".
Elara Posts: 4328/9736	.... speachless How was he not arrested for that? If I went out and said "we need to kill the black people" my ass would be in jail SO fast! Seriously, the whole country needs racial sensitivity training... or to give me a mallet so I can pound into people's heads that there is only one race!
geeogree Posts: 199/246	wow.... calling for extermination of white people. I realize this is probably not a mainstream view of "blacks" but come on.... that viewpoint is more dangerous than "nappy headed ho's".
FX Posts: 2297/3775	A friend of mine made a rant that is perfect for this debate: If any of you actually read my webcomic (which is rather unlikely...) then you should notice that I am getting more and more annoyed by racism, and the mentality behind it. The silly thing? People like the KKK or the Black Panthers don't really bother me! It's strange. If you make it your lifestyle, it's fine... However, if you let it AFFECT your lifestyle, it drives me up the wall... Let's take a different approach to this. Let's say that your favorite "not-white" comedian says the N-Word on national television. What happens? Nothing? Nice. Now let's say that your favorite WHITE comedian says the N-Word, (out of seething anger, and this being an outburst after no history of any racial remarks, whatsoever, and he only did it to be able to say the one thing that would most piss off the man who'd been pissing him off all night long, and in fact was saying racist things about him in the first place,) in a bar, with nobody around to hear it, except for another black person, and somebody with a camera phone. HO-SNAP! Or better yet, let's say that a white man says a racial line, that isn't even the dreaded N-Word, and he intended it as a joke. What happens? He loses his job? Dude! But if a guy, on national television, hell, on CSpan, says, calmly, in clear conscience, that he believes that... well... What happens? Nothing at all? A few (4) angry little videos on youtube, calling him the "black Hitler" and that's all? Why hasn't he lost his job? Why hasn't he been universally hated by everyone, the way Kramer and Itus have? Oh... I get it... It's because he's black, isn't it? I guess it just doesn't make sense to call a black man a racist. Which leads me to my next question. Why not? I think that it's syntax. A "racist" is a white person, just as a "nigger" is a black person, or all the other racial slurs that elude me because I honestly don't know which ones apply to which ethnic groups. "Racist" is a racial slur! That's why you almost never hear anybody who isn't of Caucasian decent being called "a Racist". Not the adjective. "Racist" is still a word that can be used to describe people places and things, but when you turn it into a noun, it's a slur. I'm going to, from now on, treat it as such. People don't tend to call me racist that often, (except in passing when I refuse to give my Latino friend the answers to the math test I'm taking, and even then it's only a joke) ...But the next time I do, and the person calling me a racist ISN'T white... I'm going to sue his ass for all he's got (which probably wont be much, because he's mexican...) (and I dare you to call me racist for that... I dare you...) White people? We finally have our word that only we can say. High five.
Xeios Posts: 2167/2954	I simply dislike how any minority gets a sort of lee way when it comes to racist remarks, yet the "majority" that isn't really even the majority anymore gets no lee way because we're "The Man"
Bitmap Posts: 4083/7838	Originally posted by Vulkar What I hate is when they are prejudice. When they talk about how they should kill all of the white people, then start yelling prejudice at us when we so much as sneeze in their direction, you know something is going wrong here. It's called hypocrisy. Heh, I must have come off as really prejudice with this post, but again, I know of plenty of black people who are awesome, and I don't have a problem with them in general, just with what they do. I was about to start a debate about this, but Vulkar pretty much nailed this on the head (Plus I was afraid people would get the wrong idea about me or something, but I dont have a problem with blacks or other races ) I say, if you are racist, go ahead and be so. I dont care, but dont go pointing fingers at me if I get that person fired. I can find the minute details of wrong in people and use that was my weapon pretty much But I think its unfair that Imus was fired. Hell, theres Hal Turner, a host of a White radio talk show, and he pretty much does alot of racist comments, and he respects hard working citizens in America who arent White, but yet he dosent get fired, so what the hell?
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