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Can Bond's suave stop the vampric force?
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Cairoi
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Posted on 03-27-07 09:44 PM Link
James Bond, the master of espionage, one liners and women contends against a foe unlike any he's ever seen. Not a man with a knife in his hat, not a man with metallic teeth, but a vampire. Lestat, the ancient vampire who revels in his otherworldly powers. Who will emerge victorious?

You decide.
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Posted on 03-27-07 09:52 PM Link
Lestat.

Hands down.

Since he's a well-aged vampire, he's been made able to not only be super strong, but able to walk around in the daylight, oh and not to mention he's immortal and impervious to physical damage.

Bond is no match.
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Posted on 03-27-07 10:14 PM Link
Even though the Vamp. Has super human powers and all that, Bond has all the gadgets, gizmo's, and ULTIMATE WOMEN MANIPULATION POWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hands Down
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Posted on 03-28-07 02:31 PM Link
Originally posted by Rogue
Lestat.

Hands down.

Since he's a well-aged vampire, he's been made able to not only be super strong, but able to walk around in the daylight, oh and not to mention he's immortal and impervious to physical damage.

Bond is no match.


I concur. JB is no match.
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Posted on 03-28-07 03:05 PM Link
Originally posted by Rogue
Since he's a well-aged vampire, he's been made able to not only be super strong, but able to walk around in the daylight, oh and not to mention he's immortal and impervious to physical damage.

Problem there: You acted like vampire have huge advantage over human. Let me explains:

- Unlike James Bond, Lestat's weakness is that he know only how to rock and never fight much. That's right, he sings but hardly you see him fight. James Bond, on the other hand, uses steath and gadgets to assists his way out. He have been around with death and know when to kill several time.

- Physical damage? And you said vampire are immortal. Okay, maybe you are right about immortal part but you are wrong about them being unable to take damages. Dead wrong. Even in the movie, "Queen of the Damned", there are several vampire that are killed, even physical damages are included. In short, James Bond do have chance BECAUSE vampire are VERY much like human, just different in terms of lifestyle, not the whole ability-wise.

- Okay, now, my favorite part: Anyone could be super-strong. Spiritually, physically, or even logically. If you were Lestat and I was James Bond, you would dead the moment you touch me, Rogue. How? Gadgets. Does Lestat have any long-range weaponry to assist him? No. This proves what?

Simple. Lestat need to get close to his victim in order to kill him. Seeing how vampire aren't that super-powerful (in fact, they seem to have just about the same strength as their recent human form would.) when first started, this puts Lestat at a SERIOUS disadvantage. Why? To grants both side equality, both side must have an fair and equal power to them. In short... What mistakes you made here was this:

James Bond without his weapon/gadgets. = Dead 007.

If what you said is true, I, therefore, get to take thing away from Lestat that is equal to lack of James Bond's weapon choice, and I choose his vampire power.

Lestat without his vampire power = An ancient piles of ash.

Need any more information?
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Posted on 03-28-07 04:35 PM Link
Vampires are super fast and stealthy. And Lestat can fly/levitate and is super strong.

Lestat, unlike the other vampires of the Vampire Chronicles, can not only walk around in the day, but spontaneously regenerates when injured.

Also unlike the typical vampires of other stories, Lestat cannot be killed using a wooden stake to the heart, garlic, holy water, crosses, or silver. Simply put, none of the typical vampire wards work against the French vampire.

All gadgets aside, none of them would be able to kill Lestat. He's been stabbed, cut up, fed to alligators, burned, and left for dead, but still has come back to rock out with his band.

You don't just stop being a vampire, hence why it's a curse to many of them who yearn to be in the sunlight and in Louie's case to see real colors.

In conclusion, real men don't use gadgets.


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Posted on 03-28-07 08:49 PM Link
Originally posted by Rogue
Vampires are super fast and stealthy. And Lestat can fly/levitate and is super strong.

Prove it, that he is super strong. And before you proved it, he didn't killed the Queen of the Damned so that's kind of moot point. He needed other to work with.

Originally posted by Rogue
Lestat, unlike the other vampires of the Vampire Chronicles, can not only walk around in the day, but spontaneously regenerates when injured.

Your point? Unlike anything else, people kept changing the meaning of vampire over and over, it get to the point where people often kept pretending them to be the top tiers of the whole humanity of life. Guess what, they are made of bullshit in life because some vampires people want to make vampire sound cooler, which in reality, made it worse then the first idea of where vampire came from.

He's no Vlad III the Impaler. In fact, Vlad III started this whole immortality vampire and from there, people chooses to change the meaning of vampire.

Originally posted by Rogue
Also unlike the typical vampires of other stories, Lestat cannot be killed using a wooden stake to the heart, garlic, holy water, crosses, or silver. Simply put, none of the typical vampire wards work against the French vampire.

And unlike the typical of making up any kind of vampires of any other stories, you know how many of different vampires are there? Huh, what's that? Wait, make sure you count it right because there are just about as "infinite" as people could make them. Guess what? They're all "immortal" because people CHOOSE them to be. This give the idea that people want a character who will exists to live forever and never die. By giving him immortal power will be considered as cheap as hell since people do it every day. Why do you think Lestat is immortal? Why do you think every other vampire are immortal as well? And lastly, how come they NEVER die, when they are just like human?

Originally posted by Rogue
All gadgets aside, none of them would be able to kill Lestat. He's been stabbed, cut up, fed to alligators, burned, and left for dead, but still has come back to rock out with his band.

Wow, weak argument there... James Bond had to fight daily with villians, had tortures before, and often got away in the nick of time (and usually cliche, might I add.) but compared to Lestat is stupid. Why? Lestat wasn't stabbed, cut up, fed to alligators and burned (I am not sure about the left for dead part) so this proves what? I don't even recalled several of those activity because people's ability to change the meaning of vampire.

Originally posted by Rogue
You don't just stop being a vampire, hence why it's a curse to many of them who yearn to be in the sunlight and in Louie's case to see real colors.

This is a joke, right? Some vampires wanna-be acted like they are GOD. Instead of being "cursed", they want to be "blessed".

Originally posted by Rogue
In conclusion, real men don't use gadgets.

In conclusion, anyone who have immortality power are always cliche if they have no real story. In addition, people who loves vampire often changes the meaning of it, it became so poor that people want to promote how vampire usually do.

No. Just no. Someone made the first meaning vampire. You DON'T change whatever the original was. Since Vlad III was the first to be based off what was vampire was, someone killed it by making the meaning ridiculously powerful. It's like comparing assassin to knight. Assassin will win because they are trained to prevent the knight ever making the first move and if engaged in a direct combat, they can use the knowledge of the opponent's equipment to disable the knight from fighting.

Plus, if you applies this logic to EVERYTHING BATTLE, he would already won first place and thus become so ridiculously cheap that he shouldn't be here in the AT ALL. It's like comparing god to god where they will NEVER die.
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Posted on 03-28-07 08:59 PM Link
Let me just point out two things about my own personal opinion:

*Just because Bond can't stop Lestat does not mean he cannot be stopped.

*Seticus, your entire counter there was anti-Lestat, mentioning Bond like once or twice.

*In Interview With a Vampire, vampires died. So just because he's a vampire, that doesn't mean he can't die.

Personally, I believe Lestat would win this hands down. Regardless of your opinion of who's cooler, I mean honestly, who would win in a one on one?
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Posted on 03-28-07 09:10 PM Link
Originally posted by Cairoi
Personally, I believe Lestat would win this hands down. Regardless of your opinion of who's cooler, I mean honestly, who would win in a one on one?

I was with Lestat on winning but when you get carried off on how vampire are completely powerful in immortality, that's where I decided to go AGAINST Lestat and just explain how unfair when people pretended to act like vampire are 100% unkillable..

Originally posted by Cairoi
Regardless of your opinion of who's cooler, I mean honestly, who would win in a one on one?

Here, let's try it this way. James get nothing and Lestat get his vampire power. You can use vampire's speed but it doesn't take much because Bond is TRAINED to kill (thus why reflexs are much valuable then just speed itself). You put this at 50-50 area, Cairoi. Now the reason you choose Lestat is that because he was "bad-ass", was he not? Just more bad-ass than James Bond, which make you pro-Lestat and hence, you need one anti-Lestat.

Blood sucking can be countered by back-headbutt. If your head was "holded" by the vampire's strength, it is possible to use other free of your body part to hit the hip side with your elbow or fist hit hard enough to get them stunned and Lestat's fighting doesn't seem so... well.
Cairoi
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Posted on 03-28-07 09:57 PM Link
Bond is trained to kill, but not so much hand to hand. I'd even imagine Lestat winning this fight because not only is Lestat completely resistant to normal damage, I think he probably has more combat prowess than Bond. Bond only has a few grapple moves last I checked, he mainly relies on guns, cars, and gadgets. But even with them, he'd kind of be outmatched.

At least, I think.
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Posted on 03-28-07 10:18 PM Link
Originally posted by Cairoi
Bond is trained to kill, but not so much hand to hand. I'd even imagine Lestat winning this fight because not only is Lestat completely resistant to normal damage, I think he probably has more combat prowess than Bond. Bond only has a few grapple moves last I checked, he mainly relies on guns, cars, and gadgets. But even with them, he'd kind of be outmatched.

True... But you forget.

Originally posted by Wikipedia
In Goldfinger, Bond is haunted by memories of a small-time Mexican gunman he had killed with his bare hands days earlier.

There's your hand to hand combat. Hand to hand combat still works with him.

In short, Lestat and James Bond are just on the equal level now, with Bond only in the lead if you gave his speciality. So right now, you're actually putting vampire up to "inexperience" slayer (like Buffy kind but more on that later) but know martial art.

Plus, didn't he have a fist to fist fight against Alec in GoldenEye where he managed to overthrow Alec to the edge and thus:

"For England, James?"
"No... For me."

And drop him to his death?
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Posted on 03-28-07 11:13 PM Link
Bond was fighting against other men. Not a vampire.

Bond's conventional weapons simply aren't enough to fight something supernatural. Bond is skilled in killing men, not vampires. Well i have no doubt that Lestat will find Bond to be a formidable foe, in the end Lestat will emerge victorious. Conventional human weapons do not stand a chance against the supernatural.
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Posted on 03-28-07 11:24 PM Link
Originally posted by BBQMissile
Conventional human weapons do not stand a chance against the supernatural.

Ah... I loved that word. Supernatural. Allow me tell you something, Sparda.

Since you said supernatural and conventional human weapons in the same sentence, let me point out something interesting. It's called zombie. That's right. Zombie. And they are considered to be supernatural as well (don't you forget that there are two kind of zombies. One of them come from science and the other come from magical power so let's focus on), so if you shot a zombie's head off with a shotgun, they'll go down (and if you try to counter it that magical zombie won't go down after a head shot, what else could they do other then just choke you to death?).

And... My favorite now... Okay, James Bond always come with a watch. In GoldenEye, the watch (Rolex or something) contained a laser that can cut steel very good. Now if you consider that laser physical harmful on a human body, Lestat WILL have his body part in half.

Originally posted by Sparda
Bond is skilled in killing men, not vampires.

So? Buffy the Vampire Slayer often kick human's ass and yet she is skilled in killing vampire. Why should you make James Bond any different? As far as I AM concerned, vampires are STILL men.


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Posted on 03-28-07 11:29 PM Link
Originally posted by Seticus
Prove it, that he is super strong. And before you proved it, he didn't killed the Queen of the Damned so that's kind of moot point. He needed other to work with.

See: "Interview with the Vampire." Not only did he lift Louie up, flying high above the ground, but Louie, even as a young vampire is ridiculously strong (shown in the scene where he holds Christian Slater to the ceiling). Louie, being sired by Lestat, gains some of Lestat's abilities.

The so-called Wikipedia entry on him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lestat

Originally posted by Seticus
And unlike the typical of making up any kind of vampires of any other stories, you know how many of different vampires are there? Huh, what's that? Wait, make sure you count it right because there are just about as "infinite" as people could make them. Guess what? They're all "immortal" because people CHOOSE them to be. This give the idea that people want a character who will exists to live forever and never die. By giving him immortal power will be considered as cheap as hell since people do it every day. Why do you think Lestat is immortal? Why do you think every other vampire are immortal as well? And lastly, how come they NEVER die, when they are just like human?


Huh?

If you follow any of Anne Rice's work (it was even mentioned in the first movie too), Lestat and the other vampires do not fall under the same ways to be beaten as a typical vampire, like Bram Stoker's Dracula.

They are immortal because they are eternally young and alive after thousands of years if they avoid direct sunlight, among other such things like fire. As written by Anne Rice in "The Vampire Lestat," they look like humans and maintain the appearance of the age at which they become a vampire. The only difference is that their fingernails begin to look like glass after a while.

Obviously you haven't seen "Interview" or read the books which comes to the next point.

Originally posted by Seticus
Originally posted by Rogue
All gadgets aside, none of them would be able to kill Lestat. He's been stabbed, cut up, fed to alligators, burned, and left for dead, but still has come back to rock out with his band.
Wow, weak argument there... James Bond had to fight daily with villians, had tortures before, and often got away in the nick of time (and usually cliche, might I add.) but compared to Lestat is stupid. Why? Lestat wasn't stabbed, cut up, fed to alligators and burned (I am not sure about the left for dead part) so this proves what? I don't even recalled several of those activity because people's ability to change the meaning of vampire.


How is that a "weak" point? Bond can't survive a lot of those things without some serious body armor or "gadgets." Those all happened to Lestat in previous books INCLUDING "Interview."

Are you not reading ANY of what I say before attacking my points and me, Seticus?

What's more, please critique the fight based on the evidence within the storylines of the characters. Obviously vampires don't exist, but they do in movies and in Anne Rice's books.

Originally posted by Seticus
Originally posted by Rogue
You don't just stop being a vampire, hence why it's a curse to many of them who yearn to be in the sunlight and in Louie's case to see real colors.
This is a joke, right? Some vampires wanna-be acted like they are GOD. Instead of being "cursed", they want to be "blessed".

Nope. Not a joke. Most of the vampires of Anne Rice's books consider immortality in their capacity to be a curse. They don't like having to feed on the living and only being able to exist in the dreary night. It's the reason why many find Rice's vampires fascinating; that they experience depression and are philosophical.

In some circles the story goes that Judas supposedly lives on as a vampire for his betrayal against Christ, thus it being a curse.

Originally posted by Cairoi
*In Interview With a Vampire, vampires died. So just because he's a vampire, that doesn't mean he can't die.

This is true, but Lestat didn't. As noted earlier in this post, Lestat is the strongest of his kind and being burned like those vampires, would not kill him so easily. Hence why, even upon being burned in "Interview," he still came back at the end of the movie without any evidence of the previous fights, injuries, and so on.


The only way Lestat can truly be beaten is if he were fighting someone after he's gone without feeding for a long time, so Bond would have to somehow restrain him for a long, long time and then either drop him in a hole and dump a whole lot of cement on it so he would never be able to get out, or find some other way to keep him down for the rest of eternity.

Pretty much the way to beat him is to delay him.

Bond, his weaknesses fall under women and getting the last laugh. Dangle a gorgeous woman in danger around him and he's suddenly 1000 times more concerned about winning the battle, keeping up appearances and getting laid in the end.


Just because I chose the vampire path and you want to prove anyone pro-vampire wrong, doesn't make Bond any better at winning, Seticus. You said yourself that you were for Lestat, but it's because of what was said that turned you.

Seriously, this is just for fun. Don't have a cow.
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First of all, where are you getting the whole "there are two types of zombies, science and mystical" info from? And yes, you make a point with zombie. But interestingly enough, Lestat is not a zombie but in fact a vampire, which is not the same thing.

Also, Lestat had his throat sliced, his body drowned, mangled and chewed up by animals, etc. etc. Taking this into account, I have no reason to doubt that he'll survive lasers. I doubt that Lestat will just stand in place to let Bond attack him with the laser though.

You are welcome to think that vampires are still men. I would say you are wrong, but that's only as far as i'm concerned.
However, let's look at it from your point of view. Sure, let's pretend vampires are still men. But if you do think that, you must also take into consideration that these 'men' do not die when stabbed, shot, sliced, etc. These 'men' are much stronger than their normal counterparts. What would easily send a regular man to Hades, would barely make these "men" flinch.

And also, there's a flaw in your Buffy theory. Buffy is a Slayer. She has supernatural powers to fight the forces of evil. Yes, she can kick a human's ass, but the main purpose of her powers is to fight the darkness, including vampires. Her purpose is to slay vampires. Your sentence should have been phrased as such: "Buffy the Vampire slayer is skilled in killing vampires, but she often kicks human ass anyway". Bond's purpose is not to slay vampires. This is why Bond is different. And this is why Lestat would win.
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Posted on 03-29-07 12:42 AM Link
Originally posted by BBQMissile
Also, Lestat had his throat sliced, his body drowned, mangled and chewed up by animals, etc. etc. Taking this into account, I have no reason to doubt that he'll survive lasers. I doubt that Lestat will just stand in place to let Bond attack him with the laser though.

FIne. In this case, Lestat is a God Tier Character and James Bond is Normal Character Tier. Seeing how this tournament are completely in favor of having the God Tier to win, this give James Bond an total unfair disadvantage for killing something that can't be killed.

In short, Lestat IS an "illegal" character who pretty much have this contest won. I don't know why but you guys seem to have this tournament to be completely unbalance when it come to certain character to character. Like what you said, comparing to a God character to a normal character, hell, even throw in the popularity contest and this is what people get.

No. You guys NEED to make it as Lestat is the "God" tier character. It's like having Neo in the contest anyway.

Originally posted by Cairoi
Exactly. Note how I put Morpheus instead of Neo.

We didn't want people who rock TOO hard.

Apperantly, James is a AVERAGE tier. Making him fit the bill in there. However, you get a guy who virtually can't be killed or the only way to "defeat" Lestat is the lack of blood give him a "God" tier.

Originally posted by Sparda
However, let's look at it from your point of view. Sure, let's pretend vampires are still men. But if you do think that, you must also take into consideration that these 'men' do not die when stabbed, shot, sliced, etc. These 'men' are much stronger than their normal counterparts. What would easily send a regular man to Hades, would barely make these "men" flinch.

And vampire rules the earth, mankind was gone and life will never exist.

Very nice, Sparda, but try this. If the vampire can't die, they aren't men. But if they can, they are. Even men can be harder to kill if they have different body status. As far as I am concerned, they STILL feel the pain and that STILL make them a men.

Stabbed? Fine. Your vampire isn't a men thus a god.
Shot? Fine. Your vampire isn't a men thus a god again.
Sliced, crushed, blown into several pieces, and lost their penis? Fine. Your vampire isn't a men, and guess what? You're still a fucking god if you get away with anything uninjured.

This makes Lestat "rocks too hard" in the tournament and gave EVERYONE an unfair disadvantage because Lestat cannot be "killed".

Originally posted by Rogue
The only way Lestat can truly be beaten is if he were fighting someone after he's gone without feeding for a long time, so Bond would have to somehow restrain him for a long, long time and then either drop him in a hole and dump a whole lot of cement on it so he would never be able to get out, or find some other way to keep him down for the rest of eternity.

Pretty much the way to beat him is to delay him.

Or not. As far as I am concerned, you gave Lestat the ability to fight with full blood. Now Bond already KNEW how to fight and you technically gave him NOTHING in exchange for Lestat's ability to fight with full blood.

A huge disadvantage since you like play unfair. Since you get that, I gave James Bond his auto-lock-on-vampire-that-will-kill-every-vampire-despite-being-a-god-they-are rocket launcher. Sound unfair? Hey, we have to exchange stuff to balance the scale.

How? Let's me give you an example:

Lestat: 50 Strength with 100 HP.
Bond: 25 Strength with 200 HP.

Now you can give Lestat with +100 HP addition to equal for James Bond's HP. However, you CAN NOT SAY that James Bond won't be getting anything back either. He get +25 to his own strength because what Lestat already gotten. However, this does NOT mean I CAN give James Bond any more strength UNLESS Lestat get the bonus that are equal as well.

Originally posted by Sparda
And also, there's a flaw in your Buffy theory. Buffy is a Slayer. She has supernatural powers to fight the forces of evil. Yes, she can kick a human's ass, but the main purpose of her powers is to fight the darkness, including vampires. Her purpose is to slay vampires. Your sentence should have been phrased as such: "Buffy the Vampire slayer is skilled in killing vampires, but she often kicks human ass anyway". Bond's purpose is not to slay vampires. This is why Bond is different. And this is why Lestat would win.

Flaw or not, Bond's purpose NOW is to slay this particular vampire.

Originally posted by Rogue
How is that a "weak" point? Bond can't survive a lot of those things without some serious body armor or "gadgets." Those all happened to Lestat in previous books INCLUDING "Interview."

Are you not reading ANY of what I say before attacking my points and me, Seticus?

I'm sorry, but the reason why it IS a weak point because you already made Lestat more godly. As far as I am concerned, you already made it sounds like he's going to win this tournament (which I can see it as a great possibility) simply because James is on Average Tier.

When you use an Average Tier against a God Tier, you know that the God Tier have the best advantage over the Average, because the power the God already had. How would you feel if I picked Lestat to go against Ike from Fire Emblem 10, and Ike get to kill Lestat no matter what because Lestat's inability to withstand the God's power? It wouldn't be fair since Ike already have the battle won from the start, so that IS THE REASON WHY you put James Bond at an unfair position.

If one character get everything, the other do. In fact, Rogue. I was reading nearly everything what you said before arguing your point, BUT ARE YOU just giving Lestat all of those godly power and James Bond nothing? Are YOU pointing out that Lestat can not be defeat unless the lack of blood, which mean it will be in the year after never? Are YOU implying that James Bond can't use anything to assist him in a battle, where Lestat already started with full-blood count? Are YOU even thinking what James Bond COULD do to defeat Lestat, but YOU treated like a god Lestat is!?

NO! All you ever did state that Lestat can NEVER be killed by James Bond simply because YOU NEVER GAVE JAMES ANYTHING TO START WITH. YOU ALREADY GAVE LESTAT TO ABILITY TO FIGHT, YET YOU NEVER GAVE ANYTHING TO JAMES BOND. (Sorry for the caps lock but I feel that it was a must-need important piece of information.)

Originally posted by Rogue
Nope. Not a joke. Most of the vampires of Anne Rice's books consider immortality in their capacity to be a curse. They don't like having to feed on the living and only being able to exist in the dreary night. It's the reason why many find Rice's vampires fascinating; that they experience depression and are philosophical.

Great, there are other people who are exactly the same way but instead of humans, Rice decided to make it vampire. Hurray for human not being philosophical. Hurray for human not being able to experience depression. Hurray for the fact that even vampire are very less like human, but ignoring all of those facts that human also have a soul as well.

You think human are living in a blessing? You think vampire are living in a curse? You think these two things Rice want to be completely true? Some people would considered immortality a blessing, some claimed it as a curse. Some people hated being human, yet it is a blessing anyway. What made you think vampire are way different then human, when in fact they shared just same feeling we have? What made you think that vampire are so philosophical, when human can be the same way? What made you think that vampires are exiled in life, WHEN THERE ARE ALREADY VAMPIRE WANNA-BE SUPPORTING THEM?

Just because vampire have immortality does NOT make them immortal. Human also can be immortal, yet they do NOT HAVE immortality! Why did you gave Lestat all of these power, and James Bond nothing to fight with in the start? The facts remained...

Because YOU KNOW that Lestat already lost when he have NOT YET FEED ON BLOOD when the battle start. So when you gave Lestat the abilities TO FIGHT, James Bond get something else to hold off Lestat. Now you can't applied FIST TO FIST combat only, because Lestat would already got a bonus, but James does not.

Originally posted by Sparda
First of all, where are you getting the whole "there are two types of zombies, science and mystical" info from? And yes, you make a point with zombie. But interestingly enough, Lestat is not a zombie but in fact a vampire, which is not the same thing.

Interesting now to say this now... It was the word you said before: "Supernatural."

A zombie is a supernatural. Even they can revived back to life, they are very much like "men" because they DIE when their brain is blown off. Now if vampire are supernatural and they can't die, you also have to applies that being supernatural mean a such being have the power of immortality, thus, could never be killed. This means that every supernatural that ever to occur could never die, which is completely false and I have feeling you know about this.

However, just because you are supernatural does not guarantees to live forever. If this was true, every vampire in Rice's book would already taken over the world. The movie with zombie ended with zombie being victorious against human. The balance between right and wrong stayed balance, but all you ever see that angels and demons are being immortal and yet never feel ANY pain.

So being a supernatural vampire doesn't give Lestat every god-like power. In fact, you just gave him an good reason to win this tournament because of his ability to become impervious to ANY damages. But THIS kind of battle gave Lestat the ability to walk away with ANYTHING.

Why does he exists in this tournament anyway? I thought Cairoi does not want any character to have one-side tournament.
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Lestat would win this entirely. Bond may have his gadgets, his guns, his cars, his babes, but Lestat is a vampire. The bullets would do very little to slow him down, and the laser Rolex requires you to be very close to the target for it to be effective. I doubt Bond could get close enough and press his watch before Lestat would grab his wrist and break it, then proceed to feast on his blood...

As for the older GoldenEye reference, wasnt it Alec who let go of Bonds hand and fell to his death in the end? I havent seen the movie in quite a while, but whatever. Bonds hand to hand skills would get him nowhere, as Bond is a human fighting a creature that has strength beyond mortal comprehension. It would be like a 3rd grader getting into the UFC ring with the UFC Champ to fight. Bond would get his ass handed to him wrapped up in a bow.

Now for the gadgets. Bond has that nice laser beam, which is easily countered as bond needs atleast 1 or both of his hands to press the buttons to use it. Lestat would be on him in a instant and snap Bonds wrist. There is no gadget that could kill Lestat, even if he was blown up. Take the Buffy example: She faced Dracula in one episode. Even though Buffy killed him, Dracula can NOT be permanetly killed. He reforms moments later good as new and ready to fight again. Evenually, Bond would become tired out from running and using the gadgets while Lestat wouldnt even break a sweat.

And finally, it is as Rouge said: The only way to stop Lestat is to hold him off long enough that he becomes weak from hunger then attempt to kill him. While it would seem like a good idea, what is to stop Lestat from becoming even more frantic in killing Bond when the trap is released? A starving Vampire is still highly dangerous, and would probably be on equal footing for Bond to take on.

PS: I would like to see a debate on Julian Grey (spelling?) versus Bond. A man who can not be killed or harmed versus a man with a license to kill. Now that seems harder to predict the outcome then this. Lestat hands down.

Edit: Seticus posted right before I clicked on post, sorry if I didnt quote stuff from his last post


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Seticus, there's no reason to act like a condescending whining asshole just because no one agrees with you.
And also, throughout you're entire rant there, complete with mocking phrases, you contradicted yourself and your previous posts.

Originally posted by Seticus

FIne. In this case, Lestat is a God Tier Character and James Bond is Normal Character Tier. Seeing how this tournament are completely in favor of having the God Tier to win, this give James Bond an total unfair disadvantage for killing something that can't be killed.


The whole point of the tournament is to see who's better. Just because one character prevails over another doesn't mean that the victorious character is a "God Tier" character.

Originally posted by Seticus

And vampire rules the earth, mankind was gone and life will never exist.

Very nice, Sparda, but try this. If the vampire can't die, they aren't men. But if they can, they are. Even men can be harder to kill if they have different body status. As far as I am concerned, they STILL feel the pain and that STILL make them a men.



Strange. I could've sworn it was you who said that the vampires are still men.

Originally posted by Seticus

Flaw or not, Bond's purpose NOW is to slay this particular vampire.



Ok. But it still doesn't make him a vampire slayer...which Buffy is.

Originally posted by Seticus

NO! All you ever did state that Lestat can NEVER be killed by James Bond simply because YOU NEVER GAVE JAMES ANYTHING TO START WITH. YOU ALREADY GAVE LESTAT TO ABILITY TO FIGHT, YET YOU NEVER GAVE ANYTHING TO JAMES BOND. (Sorry for the caps lock but I feel that it was a must-need important piece of information.)


First of all, the cap locks was completely unnecessary. And secondly, this is a complete and utter lie. Stop twisting everyone's words to suit your argument. We already assume James Bond has the gadgets and gizmos he uses in the movies just like we assume Lestat is already a vampire. To say that we never gave James anything to start with is a statement of pure ignorance.

Originally posted by Seticus

Interesting now to say this now... It was the word you said before: "Supernatural."

A zombie is a supernatural. Even they can revived back to life, they are very much like "men" because they DIE when their brain is blown off. Now if vampire are supernatural and they can't die, you also have to applies that being supernatural mean a such being have the power of immortality, thus, could never be killed. This means that every supernatural that ever to occur could never die, which is completely false and I have feeling you know about this.

However, just because you are supernatural does not guarantees to live forever. If this was true, every vampire in Rice's book would already taken over the world. The movie with zombie ended with zombie being victorious against human. The balance between right and wrong stayed balance, but all you ever see that angels and demons are being immortal and yet never feel ANY pain.

So being a supernatural vampire doesn't give Lestat every god-like power. In fact, you just gave him an good reason to win this tournament because of his ability to become impervious to ANY damages. But THIS kind of battle gave Lestat the ability to walk away with ANYTHING.



Right now, you're literally pulling words out of your own ass. Not once did i ever state that supernaturals cannot die. And no, i did not make Lestat impervious to any damage. It's simply within the context of this battle and this battle alone that leads me to believe that Bond doesn't stand a chance. Bond simply isn't capable of killing Lestat. This doesn't hold true for the other competitiors in this tournament. And according to your theory
dogs are men. Cats are men. Rats are men. Why? Cause they can all die.

Originally posted by Seticus


Why does he exists in this tournament anyway? I thought Cairoi does not want any character to have one-side tournament.


First of all, stop whining just because your point keeps getting shot down. Secondly, Cairoi is kind enough to spend his time to even make this tournament. You should be a bit more appreciative. And finally, Cairoi is only a man. Therefore, he makes mistakes.




Edit:
Seticus
stop twisting everyone's words and saying that people said this and that when they never did. finally, stop pulling arguments out of your ass. If you're going to say that Rogue said this or Sparda said this, prove it. And finally, stop making such a big deal out of this. it's for fun...but you're just blowing it out of proportions because no one agrees with you. By going on and on with your ridiculous rants, people don't see you as some kind of rebel or some proud person. people just see you as an ignorant asshole.


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Posted on 03-29-07 01:41 AM Link
Originally posted by BBQMissile
Seticus, there's no reason to act like a condescending whining bitch just because no one agrees with you.

Does it look like I cared?

Originally posted by Sparda
The whole point of the tournament is to see who's better.

If that was true, then stop acting like Lestat is a god anyway.

Originally posted by Sparda
Just because one character prevails over another doesn't mean that the victorious character is a "God Tier" character.

Geez, let see... You gave Lestat god-like speed with a god-like power and god-like endurence. James Bond is a human. I don't see how Lestat isn't your average tier if he can't be defeat in a battle if he already got is himself.

Originally posted by Sparda
Strange. I could've sworn it was you who said that the vampires are still men.

Okay. So? Are you going act like they are god now? Because that's what your doing now.

Originally posted by Sparda
First of all, the cap locks was completely unnecessary. And secondly, this is a complete and utter lie. Stop twisting everyone's words to suit your argument. We already assume James Bond has the gadgets and gizmos he uses in the movies just like we assume Lestat is already a vampire. To say that we never gave James anything to start with is a statement of pure ignorance.

In that case... Mind if I have access to everything James Bond got in the movie then?

Here are the things James Bond can use against Lestat:

- Shooting Cigarette.
- Radioactive lint
- Pocket snap trap
- Moonraker Laser
- Wristwatch
- Eye-glasses

Those are just enough.

Originally posted by Sparda
Right now, you're literally pulling words out of your own ass. Not once did i ever state that supernaturals cannot die. And no, i did not make Lestat impervious to any damage. It's simply within the context of this battle and this battle alone that leads me to believe that Bond doesn't stand a chance. Bond simply isn't capable of killing Lestat. This doesn't hold true for the other competitiors in this tournament. And according to your theory
dogs are men. Cats are men. Rats are men. Why? Cause they can all die.

Okay. Then why Rogue make impervious to any damages?

In fact, what made you think that Bond never stood the chance when some of these gadget are already there to counter every Lestat's action?

And according to your observation, be that way then.

Originally posted by Sparda
First of all, stop whining just because your point keeps getting shot down. Secondly, Cairoi is kind enough to spend his time to even make this tournament. You should be a bit more appreciative. And finally, Cairoi is only a man. Therefore, he makes mistakes.

And we can correct them too. In fact, why won't you do yourself a favor and explains why Lestat deserved to stay in this tournament because Rogue established that Lestat could not be killed except without the lack of blood, even though he can't be "killed"?

The thing is Sparda... You don't give Bond anything because we don't know what kind of gadgets that CAN help him, rather than WHAT COULD help him.
BBQMissile

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Posted on 03-29-07 01:47 AM Link
Your ignorance overwhelms me. And i am overwhelmed by my own foolishness; foolishness in thinking that i could even begin to reason with an ignorant, uncaring hypocrite such as yourself. Therefore, i extend my apologies to Cairoi for having even tried to present my case to Seticus in hopes that perhaps he might be more open to other viewpoints, but still keep his own and for pursuing the argument even further when Seticus decided to be a stubborn and unreasonable hardass.

This will be my last post in this thread.

and in an attempt to stay on topic...
no. forget it. i can't even do that anymore.

but here's to lestat winning.
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