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Leviathan

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Since: 07-20-05
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Posted on 08-03-05 04:42 PM Link | Quote
I'd just like to clarify something involving speed..namely, the speed of light.

In a sim battle, it is virtually impossible to reach said speed.

A: It is roughly 299,700,000 meters per second (over 1,000,000,000 fps). There are very few physical objects/bodies than can survive 1/10th of this.

B: It would require all the energy in the universe to accelerate something the size of a human being to the speed of light. Literally. Even if someone could draw on that much energy, they would attain infinite mass the instant they hit said speed. After depleting that much energy, there is absolutely no way to slow down. Infinite mass + the speed of light + no energy left in the universe/the person moving = the rest of your natural life moving in one direction at the speed of light.

C: Not only would it require all the energy in the universe..but it would destroy the universe. The shockwaves produced by the acceleration would destroy whatever planet you happened to be on LONG before you hit light speed. If you actually managed to, the ripple effect of said shockwaves and energy output would destroy absolutely everything. The same holds true for a physical object..even something as small as a knife/bullet.

I'm bringing this up because i see quite a few people around here playing with insane speed. It is obvious that they do not realize what effect their actions would actually have.

For referrence:

Speed of sound: 331 meters per second. (roughly 1000 feet)

Speed of Light: 299,702,547 meters per second. (over 1,000,000,000 feet)

An average .45 ACP round moves at roughly 900 fps.

In order to dodge an average .45 bullet you have to move at nine hundred feet PER SECOND. Over one thousand feet to reach super-sonic speeds. Over NINE HUNDRED THOUSAND times that to hit light speed.

Also be aware that, based on the most accurate formulas i can find, whipping your head to the side faster than a bullet will generate around SEVEN HUNDRED G's. I wonder what would happen if your head was moving to the side with that kind of acceleration and suddenly weighed 700 times what it usually does?

The unprotected human body can withstand an average of 4 Gs. 30-40 Gs are bone-crushing. Human beings HAVE survived over 100 Gs, but only with proper protection. And there was a cost. One of the few men to manage it broke 26 various bones, was crippled, and went partially blind. Let's say your character is 20x as strong as a human. You can take an average of 80 Gs. before loosing consciousness. At TWENTY TIMES the durability of a VERY physically fit human.

Easy formula for determining G force: 10 m/s2. For every 10 meters/second you are moving, you are experiencing one G force. A meter equals 3.4 feet. This ios a VERY ROUGH estmate, and does not take the speed of acceleration into account. It is designed to give you a basic idea only. The above figures have been calulated using mean averages to get slightly more accurate results.

Just something to bear in mind.


(Last edited by Leviathan on 08-04-05 06:26 PM)
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Posted on 08-03-05 04:48 PM Link | Quote
Personally, I believe you've drawn a very fine point which will come in rather useful for future simbattles and simbattlers who plan to use some crazy cheap attacks to use the 'speed of light' almost always to dodge. However, when dealing with simbattles, I like to seperate special magic techniques into the realms of fantasy and science. Scientifically, it will not be possible for a human sized character to reach the speed of light. But I figure that under the most precise conditions (and the most rarest conditions), given the prime circumstances and substantial energy, a more advanced character would be able to reach the speed of light, in the fantasy realm. Just my opinion. But of course, that character will have a lot of explaining to do in order to justify his actions. And in the board's current status, that may not happen for many simbattlers for a very very very long time.


(Last edited by Sparda on 08-03-05 07:49 PM)
Leviathan

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Posted on 08-04-05 12:43 AM Link | Quote
Absolutely...certain characters could attain it.

I am NOT trying to suggest a "No light-speed" rule or anything similar, should anyone reading this suspect as much. I am simply pointing out that, even if a character CAN reach these speeds, there are heavy consequinces. I doubt many of you have had the time to look into them...so look no farther. (Everything in the original post can be varified by each of you with a little research.)

Next time someone starts irritating any of you by blazing around at light-speed...simply refer back to this thread, point him here, and grin while he edits his post.
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Posted on 08-04-05 01:24 AM Link | Quote
I myself have been finding problems with these conditions. I only had to read the title to agree wtih you, Levi.

I personally blame the Matrix >.> All I ever see anymore are people who can magically dodge, as if the bullet was as slow as a human punch.
Leviathan

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Posted on 08-04-05 02:31 AM Link | Quote
I've added some new information.

Perhaps a sticky is in order, for referrence alone?
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Posted on 08-04-05 02:51 AM Link | Quote
Blinks

Wow... Lol, just Wow.

Stickies.
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Posted on 08-04-05 10:27 AM Link | Quote
I must say, i really enjoyed the read that you provided us here. There were a few things that I didn't know at first, but heck, now it all makes sense. It'll make it easier for simbattlers to fight each other without having to see them whip out ridiculous matrix-like moves everywhere.

But now that the newest rule has been added, people will be forced to have a lot of explaining to do if they ever dodge bullets or move at the speed of light. THe speed of sound seems a tad bit more reasonable though a lot of explanation is still required for justification.
Kaijin Surohm
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Posted on 08-04-05 03:55 PM Link | Quote
Lol, that reminds me of our old fight, Sparda. It took us... what? 5 freaking pages of gathering energy before we could start moving at the speed of sound? Lol.

I might tweak the rule that I have implemented, because a new person reading it might think that I'm focusing more on equipment, then acctual skill. A simple extra line will fix it =P
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Posted on 08-05-05 03:18 AM Link | Quote
Hee hee hee... this right here is one of the reasons I have never ever said "at the speed of light" unless I was using an actual attack that WAS light.

((The other reason being because I hate using that one, as it's such a fricken' cliche'...))

As for the gun thing... whenever one of my characters dodges a bullet I say they did so by watching the person with the gun's hand move and timing it.[/brag]

But yeah... for the record, I've allways thought that "LightSpeed" was fast enough that it could basically be considered teleporting... XD Thus I allways thought of it as illegal ANYWAY... ((In a "Me not do it" not a "You can't do it" sorta way... ))

Anyways... dude this thread roxors. XD I wish I coulda stickied it.

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Posted on 08-05-05 10:46 PM Link | Quote
I'm glad somebody brought this up. I haven't seen anyone doing a light-speed action just yet, but this will probably stop most people from doing it. However, making a battle where physics don't apply a lot can be done, and then doing light-speed things would fit in for the most part. But only if the that particular set up is announced beforehand.
Ryan

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Posted on 08-06-05 11:47 AM Link | Quote
The only way to travel at the speed of light is to have pretty much zero mass. So unless your character is nothing, then they are unable to move at light speed. Simple (I learned this off a science program ).
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Posted on 08-06-05 12:08 PM Link | Quote
Hmmm, very nice. I applaud you on your extensive research. Not let me see, Technically, if one wanted to acheive zero mass, they would find it necessary to create a spell to do so, then they would need to fnd a way to accellerate themselves by gathering energy from nearby planets, etc. So in other words, still nearly impossible. But as long as we are being technical here, I will just say that someone needs to know a whole freaking lot to even attempt light speed travel.
Leviathan

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Posted on 08-06-05 02:29 PM Link | Quote
The easiest way to achieve it is through a simple matter to energy conversion.

Matter and energy are the same..just different observable forms. While matter obviously has mass..most energy waves do not. By converting your physical mass into a serious of energy waves, light speed becomes possible.

At this point, however, it is far more simple to just teleport. And unfortunately, re-arrainging the structure of the energy waves into something identical to your previous mass is so complex that it is more or less impossible for most beings.
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Posted on 08-06-05 05:02 PM Link | Quote
Actually if you have completely zero/next to zero mass, you automatically travel at the speed of light. The reason why light travels that fast without any form of prupolsion (sp?).

Also, if you comverted yourself to energy, then it should take one turn to convert yourself to energy and teleport, then a second post to change back. Also, the other opponent could have an ability that allows them to control and change energies. So there are some disadvantages from converting into energy and teleporting to make it slightly less unfair.

But then all opponents would have to add a energy controlling move to all their characters, so maybe being able to convert yourself into energy to teleport should be illegal, but turning other things to power up weapons and such is... I dunno, I don't really post in these kind of discussions.
Leviathan

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Posted on 08-07-05 12:00 AM Link | Quote
To be honest, there are perhaps 3 sim characters on this board who could do it at all. Maybe.

To correctly convert and re-convert a physical body on an atomic scale would require more real-time knowledge than even a high-tier being can posses. Or, more specifically, process within roughly 1/100000000 of a second (before outside factors..random energy waves..ambient radiation..ect could cause irriversible damage to the reconstructive process).

Hell...the only reason my own character could manage it is because he has trillions upon trillions of minds to work with. To the tenth power. Roughly.

I was just demonstrating a way it COULD be done...as it has been suggested that it would be possible in certain situations.
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Posted on 08-07-05 01:03 PM Link | Quote
And who are those three sim characters on the board who could do it at all? And are they all from Shin-Ra with the exception of Sparda... That bastard...being good and all that shiet.
Leviathan

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Posted on 08-07-05 04:54 PM Link | Quote
Currently ACTIVE on the board?

Me..Sparda..possibly Kai. Reno maybe, but he's nowhere to be found right now. Vel is a slim possibility..and Cyro. Based on knowledge.

Character strength..i think it's pretty much limited to myself and Sparda.
Kaijin Surohm
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Posted on 08-07-05 05:48 PM Link | Quote
Lol. I could easily perform the Teleportation trick. It comes with over two mellenia of mind training. (ic background stroy)

Though just straight out teleporting is boring for a vampire. It's more fun to shatter into a million bats, or melt into some shadows =P
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Posted on 08-07-05 08:04 PM Link | Quote
I have a question:

Would it be possible to, if one has the ability to control electrical energies, charge the person's molecules into a speed where the person becomes normally unstable unless through supreme will brought on by brain waves keep him just stable enough to push himself out of the path of a bullet, then absorbing said power and regaining original state? Just asking. Because that is how I explain my character's ability to move at speeds that are impossible to reach for normal humans. Is it okay?
Kaijin Surohm
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Posted on 08-07-05 08:20 PM Link | Quote
What you just said is:

You have to power to charge your cells in less then a milisecond it would take for the bullet to leave the chamber, and slam into you, and somehow have your cells still give otu an electrical impuse fast enough to tweak your body to the side, ignoring the G force that happens regardless?

o.O
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