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Cairoi
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Posted on 12-08-08 11:24 PM Link | Quote
I didn't mind the Sylar twist at all, and tonight's episode of Heroes was fantastic. Fan-fucking-tastic.

Fuck the haters.
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Posted on 12-09-08 01:10 AM Link | Quote
Tonight's episode made things really look up.

My only thing is the super soldier storyline is coming really close to Captain America's origin.
Cairoi
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Posted on 12-09-08 01:55 AM Link | Quote
Well, you know what, I'm perfectly cool with that. Heroes has always been for me a comic book world for people who don't like comics. It's obvious the show has turned to them for inspiration over the course of the seasons, and that's fine. TV shows aren't exactly renowned for their originality.

Honestly, when they make the Captain America movie, I expect something like this. The current fad is making comic books fit into our world, and this is just another way to do it.
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Posted on 12-09-08 02:51 AM Link | Quote
I'll never forgive them for killing Adam.


(Last edited by Xeu on 12-09-08 02:51 AM)
Cairoi
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Posted on 12-09-08 02:57 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xeu
I'll never forgive them for killing Adam.


No need to tell me that.
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Posted on 12-09-08 03:48 AM Link | Quote
Also makes me think, DID they really kill Arthur?

I sure hope they did, or else that'd ruin how epic that scene was.

Sylar makes the show me for me now. I've definitely lost a lot of interest myself, but I think this season's been at least much more entertaining than the second season. I can't believe next week is already the last episode though.

Sylar, Parkman, and Hiro/Ando are probably the only characters I really still care about.
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Posted on 12-09-08 11:14 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xeu
but I think this season's been at least much more entertaining than the second season. I can't believe next week is already the last episode though.

Yeah, it's definitely better than last season.

Actually they're just going on hiatus for the winter like most other shows do. The season will continue again in a couple months. They're just saying it's the last episode of the year to hook more people into watching it next week.


(Last edited by Rogue on 12-09-08 04:47 PM)
Cairoi
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Posted on 12-09-08 03:42 PM Link | Quote
Xeo: Arthur and Elle are deader than dead.

Oh, and you're forgetting HRG. Mothafuckin' HRG.
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Posted on 12-09-08 04:50 PM Link | Quote
My list is pretty much Bennet, Hiro/Ando, Sylar, Matt, Nathan, and Monica (please bring her back).

Peter's regained some ground with me since he's lost his powers. And his interaction with Sylar this last episode was pretty good.
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Posted on 12-09-08 06:20 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cairoi
Xeo: Arthur and Elle are deader than dead.

Oh, and you're forgetting HRG. Mothafuckin' HRG.

Yeah, he probably is. It's just weird how they kept emphasizing that they have to be shot in the back of the head or something, which didn't exactly happen ... but I'm sure the bullet went straight through his brain or whatever. I just thought it was questionable since he took Adam's power awhile back.
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Posted on 12-10-08 11:33 AM Link | Quote
Yeah, but also in season 2, one of the characters Adam was hunting down from the original Company board mentioned that shooting him in the head would permanently kill him, which he further explained to Peter, "There's no coming back from that one."

It's sort of weird though, since both Claire and Peter had brain injuries in first season, but came back to life when the item was removed. If a bullet goes clean through you, couldn't it be assumed that your brain will mend?

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Posted on 12-10-08 01:47 PM Link | Quote
Not only that, Adam was burned to a crisp back in feudal Japan; nothing but a skeleton. He obviously recovered from that, and his brain sure as hell was gone.
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Posted on 12-10-08 02:41 PM Link | Quote
And then it makes it even stranger when Sylar's proclaiming Claire can't die and neither can he in this season's premiere.

I mean, they have hinted that decapitation will kill those with spontaneous regenerative powers, ala the Highlander franchise.

But I guess the clincher is that the Haitian is there. If he stays there long enough for the heart to stop pumping and the brain to stop functioning, he can make sure the person dies.

Funny that no one's asked the Haitian his name.
Cairoi
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Posted on 12-10-08 06:15 PM Link | Quote
About the whole brain bullet issues:

Sylar didn't know the extent of the ability when he proclaimed that. I assume he understood that he can heal from most wounds, and to most people, that'd lead you to believe you're immortal.

Second of all, he was a scarred corpse, not just a skeleton. It's feudal Japan gunpowder. I doubt it being able to destroy everything but his skeleton.

Third of all, Claire and Peter came back to life when the object in their brain was removed. Now, this means that should someone dig in there and remove the bullet from his brain, he may come alive, but no one really wants him alive.

What will likely happen is that someone will dispose of the corpse by burnination or something so he can't come back.
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Posted on 12-10-08 08:25 PM Link | Quote
I was under the assumption that when Kinsei said a bullet to the head would kill him permanently that he meant even one that went in and came out the other end. Eh, no matter.

EDIT: Bryan Fuller talks about his return to the show as a consultant :


Exclusive: Bryan Fuller's Rx for 'Heroes'

Pushing Daisies fans will probably take a hit out on me for saying this, but something good has come out of the comedy's untimely death: It's freed up Bryan Fuller to rescue Heroes from the villain known as "What the Frak Have They Done to a Once-Great Show?!" In his first interview since rejoining the series as a consultant, the writer-producer-genius behind such acclaimed season 1 hours as "Company Man" reveals where it all went wrong, what it'll take to make it right, and who's gonna have to be sacrificed before that can happen.

AUSIELLO: Where did Heroes go wrong, in your opinion?
BRYAN FULLER: It became too dense and fell into certain sci-fi trappings. For instance, in the “Villains” arc, when you talk about formulas and catalysts, it takes the face off the drama. And I think the goal for everybody is to put a face back on the drama. You have to save something with a face; otherwise you don’t understand what you’re caring about. I thought the "Villains" arc started out very interestingly, and then became sort of muddy and dense and I couldn't get my hooks into the characters to understand their motivations. I also started to feel confused about what people's abilities were. One of the great things about the first season is that the metaphor for their abilities was very clear. Those metaphors seem to have gotten complicated in the past two seasons. I share that concern with everybody on the writing staff. It's not like I'm coming in and saying, "This is what you need to do to fix it!" Everybody knows what needs to be fixed and everybody is sort of rowing in that direction.

Your work starts with episode 19, yes?
Yes. I'm fortunate to be coming into a very exciting story line. [Former co-exec producers] Jeph [Loeb] and Jesse [Alexander], before they left the show, set so many great events in motion with the "Fugitives" arc [kicking off Feb. 2]. It really is a fresh start. All of the characters are back in their real lives. You see Peter as a paramedic. Claire is looking for colleges. We get away from the world of formulas and quasi-magic.

Are the "Fugitives" episodes leading up to 19 solid?
Yes. Episodes 14, 15 and 16 are amazing. The whole "Fugitives" arc starts out very strongly, and then it gets a little dense in the middle in terms of the mythology. So I came in right at the point where everybody was realizing, "Oh, we're getting too dense here and we need to put faces on stories because there is no face to a formula; there is no face to saving the world." So it's turning this big ship back into a character stream, and everyone on the writing staff shares that desire. We need to get back into a character place, because that's where this story started: Very clean, superhero metaphors to everyday life. That's the path that we're taking. But it is a big ship so it's going to take a little while to turn it.

Any plans to trim the sprawling cast?
People will die. And some will return. Matt’s wife [Janice] comes back. We’ll find out what happens when you have a superbaby. We're also going to tell fewer stories per episode. We're going to limit it to three or four with one big one that you can wrap the stories around. We're altering the structure of the show so that there's a very clear A story that takes up a larger percentage of the show so that that story gets traction.

Are you looking at Season 4 as a complete reboot of the series?
It's not necessarily a reboot as much as it is going back to the basic spirit of the show and pulling people back in. I don't think the issues with the show have been about the serialization as much as about the density of the stories that have been serialized.

Will you be part of the show next season?
That's the idea.

Will the recent behind-the-scenes changes at NBC impact the show at all?
It's really hard to imagine Heroes without [Universal Media Studios president] Katherine Pope, because she has been such a proponent of the show. She was so instrumental in [setting] the tone and style of the show in the first season. She is as vital a piece as any of the players on the show at this moment. Her contribution can't be undervalued. It'll be very interesting to see how things shake out.

What's your working relationship with series creator Tim Kring been like since returning?
It's actually been very positive.

Who gets final say: you or Tim?
Tim. I’m a consultant. My job is to help facilitate the vision of the show, and the vision has been a little inconsistent. But “Fugitives” is such a great sea change. I think people who have been critical of Heroes will come back.


EW also has a story on who's going to play Sylar's father: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/john-glover-cas.html (Only slightly spoilerish, unless you count seeing who's going to be Gabriel's daddy, then yeah, it's a spoiler)


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Posted on 12-11-08 09:27 PM Link | Quote
Good news, that's most likely untrue...
Apparently in this monday's episode pf Heroes, Monica is supposed to make an appearance according to the imdb casting list. The reason i say this is untrue is the fact that I cant find any info anywhere else that says shes coming back. Oh well, there's always volume 4 or season 4. Its funny how the one character from season 2 that had the most potential and coolest power gets written out, yet Maya gets to stay. I really hope we return to the New Orleans story line. I really wanted to see St. Joan in action!
Rogue
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Posted on 12-11-08 09:40 PM Link | Quote
Though IMDb has been known to be wrong before (prior to Zachary Quinto being revealed as Sylar they had Sean Bean listed in the role), you give me a lot of hope, Anthony.

And AGREED! She had the most potential for an ORIGINAL power on the show (well, more accurately, non-X-Men power, I'm not sure if there are any comic characters with muscle memory).

Indeed, St. Joan lives!


(Last edited by Rogue on 12-12-08 04:31 AM)
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Posted on 12-11-08 10:19 PM Link | Quote
I got excited in one of the recent episodes when Hiro was looking trough the 9th wonders comics, the St. Joan issue was laying there. they only showed it for a second, but at least it was still there! Monica better be back soon!


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Rogue
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Posted on 12-17-08 03:22 AM Link | Quote
All right, so after the hiatus, we just might be revisiting New Orleans. Hooray!!

How friggin' anti-climactic, though, with the super soldier. This season is just filled with disappointing endings and twists.
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Posted on 12-18-08 09:20 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, I agree. While I did enjoy this volume, I wasn't a big fan of the whole formula deal.
But I think volume 4 has real promise, I can't wait to see it I love the storyline.
I guess imdb got it wrong, no Monica in the last episode....
But The preview for volume 4 showed Micha, so maybe at some point we'll see him and Monica.
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